Calling all IJN Destroyer/DE fans

Art · Post by **Art** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:23 pm

Bill,

Try:

http://www.geocities.com/pinnochionz/IJ ... ukikai.jpg

For the bow section of the Shimakaze. If this gets through OK I will post the midship and stern sections url - or you can search around that site and pick up the others yourself.

I have not asked Mr Haruo Takami, author and copyright holder for permission to post this excerpt so please treat it with respect. I would not like to get in his bad books as he is a fountain of knowlege on all things IJN. The pic is a small segment of the planset and nobody could build a model from it, for that I suggest you buy the complete thing at:

http://www2.odn.ne.jp/miyukikai/sub2.htm

Scroll down the page to the list of plans.

The excerpt is purely for reference to sighting the 13 and 25mm guns at the time of her demise.

It will be removed as soon as you, ( Bill ) tell me you have it downloaded.

Today I have another 3 reject slips from Yahoo.com.au stating that you do not have an account. I can only presume that I have copied the address incorrectly. Could you PM me again with the right one please?

Art

Art · Post by **Art** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:46 am

Filipe Ramires wrote:
Bill Clarke wrote:Can someone add a link (if one exists) to the two photos of her destruction ?

http://www.geocities.com/pinnochionz/Sh ... 111145.jpg

Filipe,

Have you forgotten how to do a search on the J.airaft.com/ships site?

Art

Filipe Ramires · Post by **Filipe Ramires** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:20 am

Yes that's the most known photo of Shimakaze before going down. There's another one also that got to that board recently also. I forgot to search that board in fact.

Filipe Ramires · Post by **Filipe Ramires** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:30 am

Found the second photo of her last moments on the Combined.Fleet.com board. Follow the link and scroll down and you will get the two of them!

http://www.j-aircraft.org/smf/index.php?topic=2056.0

Foeth · Post by **Foeth** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:00 am

Note that the j-aircaft board does not show images to guests, only members.

Filipe Ramires · Post by **Filipe Ramires** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:17 am

Oh yes, I forgot that small detail Foeth!!!

I could copy the photo but don't want to get any trouble with copywright and stuff like that between both boards.

PetrOs · Post by **PetrOs** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:33 am

Thank you, looks very fine!

However, I think
Ikazuchi, Inazuma, Akatsuki, and Hibiki belong to third group, and Ushio to Second.... Main distinctive feature is hereby that third group had only 3 boilers and thus much thinner first funnel.....

RNfanDan · Post by **RNfanDan** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:22 pm

PetrOs wrote:Thank you, looks very fine!

However, I think
Ikazuchi, Inazuma, Akatsuki, and Hibiki belong to third group, and Ushio to Second....

Thank you, PetrOs--I have corrected the list, accordingly!

I am still in the process (on and off), of cross-checking units within each sub-classification. I had already made some changes to my initial draft before posting, and I expected it to be subject to fine-tuning. My goal is accuracy, so where better to post it, than MW Forums?

Dan K · Post by **Dan K** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:00 pm

A couple of things:

Akigumo was actually a Kagero class DD. This is very well documented, with photographic evidence. The error is from western sources, in part, due to confusion with the Japanese hull numbering system, which used phantom hull #s to hide funding needed for the Yamatos. So, the Kageros and Yugumos were equal in number, 19 units each.

Also, there were 4 units in the Fubuki Type III class: Hibiki, Ikazuchi, Inazuma, & Akatsuki

Uranami is actually a transition ship between Type I & Type II: Type I bridge and main mounts with Type II ventilators

Ariake & Wakaba are actually considered a improved subclass of the Hatsuharu type by all Japanese sources.

The Matsu and Tachibana classes have been classifed as DE types by western surces but, in fact, were never given that designation by the Japanese.

FWIW

Mac · Post by **Mac** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:55 pm

RNFanDan,

You should also check out the Combined Fleet website. I think that site and the Ship message board at J-aircraft.com are 2 of the best IJN resources on the web.

The Destroyer section of the Combined Fleet site divides all of the destroyers into classes and gives WWII TROMS for almost all of them.

Many of the IJN modelers here are also active on the J-Aircraft ship messageboard.

Mac

RNfanDan · Post by **RNfanDan** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:00 am

Dan K wrote: Akigumo was actually a Kagero class DD.

Or, more in keeping with the intent of this list, a Cruiser Type, Second Class unit. I've since found a print-out about this exact correction among my disorganized notes, from the "Long Lancers" web page.

As for the Inazumi and Ikazuchi, Petros corrected me on this already but in my haste, I pasted them into the wrong place

Uranami is actually a transition ship between Type I & Type II: Type I bridge and main mounts with Type II ventilators

This was a casualty of transferring and editing text blocks from my first draft. I should have caught this immediately--there are two such "one-offs" (the other being Shimakaze), and the Uranami escaped my notice.

Ariake & Wakaba are actually considered a improved subclass of the Hatsuharu type by all Japanese sources.

For modeling purposes, little of notable significance would seem to warrant relocating these last two ships from their existing place on my list (London Treaty, First Class). This is not to dismiss Ariake's qualifications as a subclass, but her visible plan and profile do not suggest enough departure from other London/Firsts, to be noticeable.

The currently marketed Ariake, Hatsushimo, and Hatsuharu kits in 1:700 scale, with the exception of an available 1933 version, are practically indistinguishable (apart from manufacturing or accuracy issues) from one another. I have no equivalent information at this time, regarding Wakaba.

I've corrected the errors you've alerted me to, Dan--Thanks!

Dan

blandcorporation · Post by **blandcorporation** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:00 am

Does anyone have any information on the IJN greys that the Fuyuzuki and the Asashimo were during operation Ten-go?

Dan K · Post by **Dan K** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:37 pm

The TROMS on combinedfleet.com indicate that both ships were at Kure for servicing prior to the operation.

blandcorporatio · Post by **blandcorporatio** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:24 pm

Okay, so its likely they were painted in Kure prior to the operation and I know about the IJN site. That helps, thanks.

Quincy · Post by **Quincy** » Sun May 20, 2007 8:41 am

Okay guys:

With all the new DD kits coming out by Skywave Fubuki's etc. how many of you will be buying more the one???

Count me in for about 10 or 12!!!

\

Bob Pink.

Filipe Ramires · Post by **Filipe Ramires** » Sun May 20, 2007 8:43 am

I will most likely buy one of each sub-type of the Fubuki class.

Dick J · Post by **Dick J** » Sun May 20, 2007 11:21 am

Hi Dan,

I think you need to add Shirayuki to the Special Type, first group.

riose · Post by **riose** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:04 pm

I've seen a large number of japanese cruisers in hasegawa catalogue, all in 1:700 size: is hasegawa a good model maker? are its models expensive?

Dan K · Post by **Dan K** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:50 pm

The newest Hasegawa molds are among the best out there. Especially the Furutaka/Kako & Aoba/Kinugasa kits. THe new Myoko tooling are also really good.

Be sure NOT to mix these us with their older versions of these same kits.

No more or less expensive than other new kits. Around $20 - $30 I think

lisec · Post by **lisec** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:34 pm

do you guys have any useful photos of Asashimo or any of the Yagumo class ships?

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