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Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:52 pm
by Angeliccypher
I figured out how to fix the bulkhead issue! A little heat and working the plastic in the right places.

Matthew, I looked through the WSP book and there are several shots in there showing the aft deck. It is flush.

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:39 pm
by taskforce48
HNSA has plans for the Astoria, the hangar structure should be the same for the purpose you need. I don't have the link now but will look it up when I get home.

Matt

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:40 pm
by Angeliccypher
I think I got it Matt. Thank you though.

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:12 am
by MatthewB
Angeliccypher wrote:I figured out how to fix the bulkhead issue! A little heat and working the plastic in the right places.

Matthew, I looked through the WSP book and there are several shots in there showing the aft deck. It is flush.
Bummer.

But, yes, I have now looked, and especially for 1944, it is clear that the deck was flush with the hull.

So when I go to do the re-build, I will have to make certain I get the deck set flush with the hull.

The current build is flush with the hull only in the well-deck for the hangar.

I am nearly finished with the build, now, so I can move on to the Nagara, Aoba, and Helena (And Kinugasa - and maybe some DDs).

What was the bulkhead issue?

The hangar?

In 1/700, the PE for the hangar fixes the problem. It does require a bit of sanding of the hangar near the front of the hangar, to narrow the walls a bit.

But after the PE is affixed, it sits nearly perfect.

My only beach is getting rid of all of the seams. On the rebuild, I might forgo the PE wrapper for the hangar, and instead build-up the seam at the hangar, and then attach the detailing parts directly to the plastic. But I will tackle that problem when I get to it (I will have two more builds of the SF to get it right: Another 1942 and a 1944).

MB

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:58 am
by Angeliccypher
The problem on the outside walls (see the third photo when I listed problems) is that the bulkheads tapered in so they did not line up with the hull on the first section which is wrong. Looking at the pictures of any of the class that section looks like one continuous piece of metal from the torpedo belt all the way to the boat deck.

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:01 am
by MatthewB
Angeliccypher wrote:The problem on the outside walls (see the third photo when I listed problems) is that the bulkheads tapered in so they did not line up with the hull on the first section which is wrong. Looking at the pictures of any of the class that section looks like one continuous piece of metal from the torpedo belt all the way to the boat deck.
Yep... Same problem on the 1/700 kit then.

MB

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:48 pm
by MatthewB
I also just noticed that the air vents next to the hangar door are not done correctly, either.

The one to the right (technically to the port side of the ship) should stick out and overhang the platform on which the ladder goes to the boat deck.

It is the same on the 1/700 kit.

MB

21 hours

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:49 pm
by Angeliccypher
So after the debacle with the previous pictures, I think I have that sorted out now. I sat down and started to build the hangar. This is some basic structure detailing. There will be a few other things added into the hangar later like a work bench and spare parts to hang on the bulkheads. This will be likely primed and painted tomorrow while I am working on the seams on the outer structure around it. Then it will all be attached to the kit.
21-2.jpg
21-1.jpg
Thanks for looking.

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:16 pm
by taskforce48
Looking good!

Looking forward to seeing how it looks installed.

Matt

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:17 pm
by Angeliccypher
Thanks Matt. I can post a test fit picture if you want per painting.

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:36 pm
by Angeliccypher
Test fit picture for Matt:
21-3.jpg

28 hours

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:51 pm
by Angeliccypher
So looking at some of this it really does not look like much has been accomplished. Most of it has been cleaning up seams end ejector pin marks. There has also been some modification (or removal of grossly overdone "detail") as well. Descriptions of the work will be with each picture. Hypno7 told me he wanted to see some of what I had actually been doing so here they are.
All portholes have been added on both sides of the ship.  I am lazy so you are only getting to see one side.:)
All portholes have been added on both sides of the ship. I am lazy so you are only getting to see one side.:)
aft section of more portholes
aft section of more portholes
The structure that sits on top of the boat deck.  The was largely a ton of seam work and ejector pins.  I will fix the "detailing" on this later
The structure that sits on top of the boat deck. The was largely a ton of seam work and ejector pins. I will fix the "detailing" on this later
The next level up.  Same type of issues as the previous picture.
The next level up. Same type of issues as the previous picture.
The two levels together.
The two levels together.
The catapult tower with no seams filled as it is to be assembled out of the box.
The catapult tower with no seams filled as it is to be assembled out of the box.
The other side of the same assembly.  Mind you I have not done anything besides put this one together.....yet.
The other side of the same assembly. Mind you I have not done anything besides put this one together.....yet.
The second of the towners.  I have cleaned up the seams removed the horrible excuse for a rail and added th hatch opening.
The second of the towners. I have cleaned up the seams removed the horrible excuse for a rail and added th hatch opening.
The reverse side.  Trumpeter also forgot the window that looks into the well deck.  The seams on top will not matter as they will be covered.
The reverse side. Trumpeter also forgot the window that looks into the well deck. The seams on top will not matter as they will be covered.
Added PE doors to the hangar bulkheads.
Added PE doors to the hangar bulkheads.

28 hours part 2

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:53 pm
by Angeliccypher
More doors to be added soon.  I do not always replace molded on doors because they ad least look decent on the kits I have done to date.  Looking at the one PE door versus the two molded on doors....yeah.  I think I am making the right choice here.:)
More doors to be added soon. I do not always replace molded on doors because they ad least look decent on the kits I have done to date. Looking at the one PE door versus the two molded on doors....yeah. I think I am making the right choice here.:)
More still to come. Thanks for looking. Feedback always appreciated.

P.S. Thanks for the extra SOC-3 Matt.

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:42 pm
by Quincy
Coming along nicely! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:



Bob Pink. :wave_1:

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:14 pm
by MatthewB
AARG!

I forgot to add four hatched to the front of the hangar.

Oh well... I am going to re-build it after I get more ships done, with all of the corrections I have discovered (and I can use this one as a temporary Minneapolis).

MB

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 2:36 am
by taskforce48
Looking great! It always amazes me how much a detail that can hardly be seen once finished lends so much eye appeal to the finished product.

Keep up the great work!

Matt

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 5:48 am
by hypno7
Very nice Gabriel! How are you gluing the portholes?

Usually we don't get to see how other modellers tackle the small things like seams and small subassemblies. Thank you for posting, very instructive :thumbs_up_1:

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:38 am
by Angeliccypher
Thanks guys. The poet holes started off as a practical issue. I am glad I needed to use the PE. I think it looks a lot better. Is use white glue specifically Gator Grip from my PE. I swear by the stuff.

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:30 am
by TimW42
Angeliccypher wrote:Thanks guys. The poet holes started off as a practical issue. I am glad I needed to use the PE. I think it looks a lot better. Is use white glue specifically Gator Grip from my PE. I swear by the stuff.
Dude, you are on fire!

TW

Re: CA-38 Diorama

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:35 pm
by Angeliccypher
Thanks Tim. My fire got cooled for a bit. I have finally sat down and started working on her again today. Special thanks to Tracy and Roger for providing me a ton of information and photos. This has allowed me to see several things wrong like portholes in the wrong spots. Ladders molded in that should not be there. Missing vents etc. And that is just on the bulk heads surrounding the hangar. This is where the majority of my work has been today. Once it is presentable I will post a photo.