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Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:19 pm
by Neptune
A wise man once said/wrote to me: "barking mad - but brilliant".
I believe it applies here as well :big_grin:

Not entirely convinced on that 2nd gangway.
Although it wouldn't be uncommon to have it ( most of the time there is a short and a long gangway onboard),
-in this case the shadows of the forward one might be cast by benches as well.

There appears to be a shorter? bench just forward of that gangway that seems to cast a similar, but shorter shadow.

My 2 cents...

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:24 pm
by JIM BAUMANN
@ Neptune....

Hmnnn.... I shall re-examine that...-
- I had thought that as they had
( sometimes ) a huge load of passengers to load and unload ( at every stop )

( Lorna doone was licensed for nearly 900 passengers..(!)
that the 2 x gangways might be deployed as one for boarding and one for disembarking

anyhows... the tightness of the Horizontal lines in the shadow MIGHT INDEED be a bench.... Hmnnn!

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a bit of progress.... mostly annotated images

that have been stared at and re-re-re-re stared at... to try and glean how
the benches were placed.



in view of above;
seating  midships LD.jpg
so far the longitudinal benches are in place ( but not yet ' toned down' )
P1010487.jpg
Seat Bench B took some finding...( as seen above ahead of the mast )

along with the life rafts stacks around the large cowl vent
identified by passengers sitting not on benches or deck-chairs...
seating  LD bow.jpg
The aft seats have had some thin paint and placed onboard the vessel
P1010477.jpg
P1010478.jpg
The mast was made... ( 0.5 mm tubing )
P1010485.jpg
On the bridge wings they had polished engine room telegraphs
LD bridge.jpg
P1010480.jpg
and...
alas it does seem I reached the limits of my work-bench-point-and-shoot camera

so apologies for VERY poor image enlarged ...

I made a lovely binnacle- complete with brass domed compass housing
with the red/green magnetic balance balls-- but even I cannot see it anymore ! :big_grin: :big_grin:

The wheel picked up the flash and as such looks a most odd colour in the photo-
-not so in real life !!
P1010483.jpg
meanwhile a photo of sistership SOLENT QUEEN ( ex Melton ex Queen of Thanet )

with a full load onboard...!

==|> showing almost ALL deck detail obscured by peksy passengers !! :big_grin:


started making davits now-- ... more progress son

regards JB :wave_1:

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 4:49 pm
by zs180
What a beauty!
I love how you identify individual pieces of equipment in the not-so-great-quality photographs and then scratchbuild them using ingenious solutions. It is so educational. I love the smart looking benches!

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Sun May 07, 2023 5:25 am
by marijn van gils
Incredibly fine detailing Jim! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

The benches turned out great, and they add a lot to the overall look of the ship.

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 4:16 pm
by Iceman 29
I thought of you and your project when I saw this beautiful painting.

It shows a paddlesteamer being passed by the Cunard liner RMS Aquitania. A painting by Colin Verity, dated 1924. Probably near Fawley.

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/ ... 8a47134fc6

Image

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Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 4:44 pm
by JIM BAUMANN
Thank you for thinking of me!

I have been busy--( between classic cars - family and a small health hiccup...)

with... forming and painting very small people ==> passengers...pah!

Naval crew uniforms are soooo much easier to deal with in 1/700 ....than pesky civilians.... !

all wearing different coloured clothes--some with children...
arghhh!

I used PE figures--

Just after World War 2 to early 1950's.....
British civilians were not that well fed... and mostly they were slim .

Resin and 3 D figures just looked a bit.... errr..... " big "....

the PE figures ( from a variety of sources ) had some white glue to give them some depth. -

--and heads, arms , torsos and legs
were altered and bent to give some variety of poses

I enclose images of the status quo

==> next stage is the greeny grey sea... .and then rigging..... and completion.

I reckon anther 3-4 weeks

Cheers

Jim Baumann :wave_1:

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 11:32 pm
by SG1
Great job with the figures! The populated paddlesteamer looks real! I love the tall elegant lady with child (midship /starboard). Just incredible :cool_2:

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 1:48 am
by wefalck
Yep, it come to life :thumbs_up_1:

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 10:19 am
by Maarten Sch�nfeld
Lovely little steamer, Jim! I love it... :thumbs_up_1:

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 5:24 pm
by Iceman 29
Beautiful work, Jim.

This ship comes to life. It's hard to imagine a model without sailors and passengers in it in this case. I'm not a fan of ghost ships. :big_grin:

Can't wait to see the rest of this project.
Take good care of yourselves.

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 8:18 am
by marijn van gils
Fantastic work Jim!
Little people always make a big difference, and even more so with passenger ships!
Just beautiful... :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:28 pm
by JIM BAUMANN
Good day all

Honest- I have not fallen off a cliff,
though have been dealing with a health issue, and combated an extremely Hot June
( sunniest June ever on record in the UK)
which renders the model.room untenable as it faces South.

July has returned to usual service in the UK- indifferent weather- Days of sun , Days of rain

so I have returned to the bench

3 images only today--

so a summary...
I removed the ' spare ' gangway -( thank you Neptune :thumbs_up_1: )
and made another-- slightly shorter - bench

Thereafter I installed the 2 x deck floodlights,these are delicate
and fiddly to install on to the top of the paddleboxes
P1010808.jpg
I rigged the stays for the two funnels before doing the shrouds
and halyards

Initially I thought I would make life easy for myself

and use the Thinnest 0.047 mm Nitinol wire ( Modellkasten)
but on this diminutive ship even that skinny wire looked colossal!!
thin and thinner .jpg
So I resorted to my favourite media and used stretched sprue
same old method--
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37536

just pulling it quicker to make it MUCH finer ! :big_grin:

thereafter I set to levelling the gaps between the edge of the 'paper water'
and the Hull-- I have used successfully ( for decades) white glue for this
Usefully--when applied its white ( so I can see it!) but dries clear
P1010801.jpg
P1010792.JPG
thereafter once dry--I set about painting the wake and the sea

Next update in a few days

Jim B

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:35 am
by Maarten Sch�nfeld
Hi Jim,
So I resorted to my favourite media and used stretched sprue
same old method--
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37536

just pulling it quicker to make it MUCH finer ! :big_grin:
Your ways with ultra-fine rigging with streched sprue keeps baffling me with amazement! :worship_1: It just looks so simple, but it requires a very fine technique, a very secure hand and the patience of an archangel!

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:16 pm
by SG1
Getting better and better! :woo_hoo:

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:27 pm
by Iceman 29
:cool_1: Top!

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:00 pm
by JIM BAUMANN
Thank you gentlemen;

I deliberated and wrought my hands for some time...
the vexed question of " paddle-steamer wake pattern,
at differing speeds, differing paddle wheel designs, differing hull shapes etc
how much by foaming white 'thrash' aft of the paddle wheels is realistic



Views of paddle-steamers from above are surprisingly rare-- and then mostly of
the Waverley- a large British seagoing paddler of nearly 19 knots- and only a few
of the images are of the vessel them at high speed...
The large fleets of Swiss Lake paddle steamers-- fine vessels that they are
have top speeds up to 17 knots-- but cruise at around 10- 12 knots ( tp reduce wash on lake shores)
and the few overhead images bear that out

a few images as examples...Waverley's paddles... when the dig into the water seem to make a distinctive
pattern aft of the paddle wheels both sides-- which appears to differ somewhat from the
" thrashier " more turbulent white water pattern of Lorna Doone...
Waverley being a 1948 build I think has more efficient "blades"
than the 1914 designed Lorna Doone and her sister Solent Queen.

a few image to support my thoughts...

PS Waverley
wake 1.jpg
wake 5.jpg
wake2.jpg

Solent Queen ( ex Queen of Thanet )
wake 4.jpg
wake 3.jpg
Lorna Doone ( ex Queen of Kent )
wake 7.jpg
wake 6.jpg

So onwards ...
I eventually chose to create an amalgam of the various images
but leaning more towards the thrashy water of the 1915 ex minseweepers,
charging down the Solent at 15-16 knots....

The model is essentially completed -
aside from a last check-over ...

below are some snapshots with the workbench camera ...
I will do some ' proper ' photos in good light with the SLR on a tripod..!
giving proper depth of field and less wide angle distortion that the point and shoot

P1010824.jpg
P1010843.jpg
P1010815.jpg
P1010820.jpg
P1010823.jpg
P1010822.jpg


Its been quite the journey...

it all seems a very long way from this stage....

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:17 pm
by MartinJQuinn
Beautiful work! The wake pattern looks very good. Congrats on getting her across the finish line!

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:49 am
by Iceman 29
In this photo, you can see the small curved waves produced by the paddle, faster in the center than on the outside of the wake, forming a curved wave. Looks pretty typical to me.

Depending on the speed of the vessel, it must be different of course.

Image

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:12 am
by EJFoeth

Re: PS LORNA DOONE ex HMS Atherstone -- 1/700 Paddlesteamer

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:38 am
by SG1
Masterpiece (once again, oh yeah)! :cool_2: