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richter111 wrote:ok so the $64K question, the decks, what color in the end, soot covered wood? That seems to be what I have discovered
For Operation 'Sho-Go' (Leyte Gulf in Oct 1944), Yamato's decks were painted a dark, almost black, gray color.

For Operation 'Ten-Go' (April 1945), her decks were painted a very light gray. The 2005 Japanese film Yamato depicts the deck as being a medium-light wood color. Either way you can't go wrong.

They were definitely NOT 'soot-covered', NOR did the ship have any rust color ANYWHERE. The Yamato was the flagship of the IJN, a national treasure, hardly ever in action, and REPAINTED EVERY TIME SHE WAS IN PORT FOR A FEW MONTHS. When she went down off Okinawa, she was every bit as gleaming as she had been 4 years earlier at her launching.

I say this because occasionally I'll see someone with a Yamato model showing reddish 'rust' in various places, and it makes me want to SCREAM!! This ship was THE crown jewel of the IJN. She was never neglected in ANY way, and her crews had better food than the crews of any other IJN ship except maybe the Musashi.

Here is a link to the page on my Yamato site to the latest Japanese diagram of Yamato's deck in April 1945 - pay particular attention to the number, location and shield type of the AA machine guns on the deck:

http://ultimatebattleshipyamatosite.tri ... ?i=112&s=1

Make sure you click on the 'view full size image' on the lower right of the photo.
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eraphael wrote:during last sortie?
Haven't seen actual photos.
Thanks.
Last sortie photos: Pages 5-7 of my Yamato/Musashi Archive photo gallery:

http://ultimatebattleshipyamatosite.tri ... e_battles/
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Outstanding!!!

It kind of put's you right there at the time of the battle, A bird's eye view!!!! Though I'm not sure if the Wildcats were involved in the raid.......


Good Job!

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daveseas wrote:Outstanding!!!

It kind of put's you right there at the time of the battle, A bird's eye view!!!! Though I'm not sure if the Wildcats were involved in the raid.......


Good Job!

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Thanks Dave. It was a bit of a chore finding all those archive photos, but nothing compared to the 2 years it took to finalize my 1/200 Nichimo Yamato model. By then I was so deep into it, and so PO-d at the lack of photos available on the Internet of the Yam/Moose that I decided to do something about it. Searching the National Archives is expensive if you hire someone (I am not on the East Coast or I would have done it personally), but fortunately during the course of my research I discovered that in the late 1980s/early 1990s the Japanese sent legions of researchers to the National Archives to search for the photos of these two ships following the discovery of the Yamato wreck in 1989.

So I managed to secure them through Japanese sources.

Comments like yours make the effort worth it! Please send the link to whoever you know that is an IJN fan!!

Thank you.

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Pics at Truk of Yamato and Musashi at anchor in 1943 show her as pretty weathered and, undoubtably, that would include rust.
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Dan K wrote:Pics at Truk of Yamato and Musashi at anchor in 1943 show her as pretty weathered and, undoubtably, that would include rust.
Well, not to be too cantankerous, but the photos you refer to are:

a. Black and white
b. Poor quality
c. Distant

Looking at the same photos I fail to arrive at the same conclusion - ie. I can't tell one way or another - (unless you have other pics, or of better quality, in which case I would BEG you to give them to me :woo_hoo: )

Even assuming you are correct, the Yamato WAS painted every time she was in Kure. She was in Kure from October 1944 until April 1945. The Japanese gave their port-bound crews PLENTY of drilling and other work to do while in port. And she was 'gussied-up' for Ten'ichigo. We know that the decks were repainted, and heck, they even painted the Chrysanthemum on her funnel. The Japanese were funny that way. I believe that Spurr's book will back me up.

The defense rests. :big_grin:

P.S. Am I correct in assuming you might have made a Yam model with weathering???
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bucketfoot-al wrote: We know that the decks were repainted
Hi Vlad,

Congratulations for your website dedicated to Yamato :thumbs_up_1: . On Steel Navy message board we had, John Snyder, Al Torres and myself a debate about her deck colour during Ten-Go and we all agreed on the fact that she was more likely in her natural faded Hinoki Cypress colour, which turns to light grey. Could you please, tell us how you came to the conclusion of a light grey painted deck ? Any evidence would be very much appreciated.

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bucketfoot-al wrote: We know that the decks were repainted
Hi Vlad,

Congratulations for your website dedicated to Yamato :thumbs_up_1: . On Steel Navy message board we had, John Snyder, Al Torres and myself a debate about her deck colour during Ten-Go and we all agreed on the fact that she was more likely in her natural faded Hinoki Cypress colour, which turns to light grey. Could you please, tell us how you came to the conclusion of a light grey painted deck ? Any evidence would be very much appreciated.

Looking forward to your reply

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Thank you Gilbert. Outside of the 2005 Yamato movie made on the 60th anniversary of her sinking (for which we know the fastidious Japanese did MEGA-research that corrected some deck details), I refer you to the following site which charts the changes in the Yamato & Musashi's superstructure and decks throughout the war. You can use Google to translate it (so-so quality machine translation), or just refer to the very last Yamato overhead deck diagram on the bottom of the page (Ten'ichigo configuration):

http://homepage1.nifty.com/watakan/yama ... to_aa.html

Here are the 4 Yam/Moose deck closeup diagrams. They are in the following order:

1. Yamato, June 1944
2. Musashi, June 1944
3. Yamato, October 1944
4. Musashi, October 1944
5. Yamato, April 1945

http://homepage1.nifty.com/watakan/yama ... ten_yamato
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Thanks for this quick reply Vlad. I knew this site already and go there from time to time. Diagrams are very good and there is no doubt both Yamato and Musashi decks were stained in dark using soot stack for Sho-Go. Though, there is still for me a big question mark about Yamato deck colour - light grey yes, but looks the same as in A-Go in june 1944, therefore, couldn't it be just faded Hinoki Cypress tint instead of paint. Furthermore, there is no mention at all in "Requiem.." and Musashi books of painted decks for A-Go
You said Japanese had made a deep research for the movie, which is IMHO a great war movie, therefore, it would have been simple for them, with their addiction to sharp details, just to depict Yamato deck painted in light grey, but they selected to leave the deck in wood natural colour. As the wood was brand new, it appears in tan colour instead of the worn faded grey.

Thanks for your input but so far, I am still not convinced. By the way John @ wem will collect soon a Hinoki Cypress sample and will leave outside for a while to see how it turns to light grey. Hopefully, we'll have a better idea in a couple of years :big_grin:

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Hi Gilbert.

I love a perfectionist when it comes to getting the Yam right!!!

Personally I think you can't go wrong either way. I did mine using a light wood color because the contrast is well, prettier to look at. In any event, we KNOW that it was a light color in any event.

Good luck and let us know when its done so we can ogle the pictures!!

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Thanks for the kind words, Vlad. Just one thing, you can be be very proud for the outstanding work you have done in your website and, for myself, as an IJN fan in general and A Yamato "nuts" in particular, it is just a great time to browse all the information you have gathered there.

Bravo Zulu :thumbs_up_1:

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Gilbert wrote:Thanks for the kind words, Vlad. Just one thing, you can be be very proud for the outstanding work you have done in your website and, for myself, as an IJN fan in general and A Yamato "nuts" in particular, it is just a great time to browse all the information you have gathered there.

Bravo Zulu :thumbs_up_1:

Gilbert

As an old "Iron Soldier" of the 1st Armored Division, all I can say in reply is:

"HOOOAAAHHH!!!"


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Regarding rusting and weathering - Vlad, do you have the KMM book on the Yamato class, with the 3 pages of enlargements of the photo in question? Her hull is clearly stained and weathered. It is even more noticeable when compared to the pics of her on trials. Remember, she basically sat at anchor at Truk for 8+ months under a hot sun and humid climate. Rust is inevitable.

She may be a flagship, but she was a working warship, not a museum piece. FWIW.

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Dan K wrote:Regarding rusting and weathering - Vlad, do you have the KMM book on the Yamato class, with the 3 pages of enlargements of the photo in question? Her hull is clearly stained and weathered. It is even more noticeable when compared to the pics of her on trials. Remember, she basically sat at anchor at Truk for 8+ months under a hot sun and humid climate. Rust is inevitable.

She may be a flagship, but she was a working warship, not a museum piece. FWIW.

Dan
Thanks Dan! Do you have a link for the book as I do not have that one and would like to purchase it. I completely understand that such weathering probably occured at Truk and Borneo. But (and I believe I am recalling this from Spurr's book, she was painted when she was at Kure. So at the time of Ten-Go she was most likely in fine attire - for her funeral.
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Hello all
I have no doubt that you know more than I do about the Yamato.

My question is, what makes you think -apart from the drawings, or photos of the faded Hinoki from the Mikasa by the Japanese site (Watakan), that the yamato deck was light grey (or Tan for that matter?). Looking at this picture here (from Bucketfoot-al site), it seems to me that the deck colour was darker than the deck or the hull.

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softsea wrote:Hello all
I have no doubt that you know more than I do about the Yamato.

My question is, what makes you think -apart from the drawings, or photos of the faded Hinoki from the Mikasa by the Japanese site (Watakan), that the yamato deck was light grey (or Tan for that matter?). Looking at this picture here (from Bucketfoot-al site), it seems to me that the deck colour was darker than the deck or the hull.

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Joao - you can't link the BIG image because Tripod won't allow it. You need to link the MEDIUM image that has text under it. Then we can go and look at the big photo. As it is, even I have no idea what image you are trying to link to..... :wave_1:
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OK. I am assuming you are probably looking at this photo:

http://ultimatebattleshipyamatosite.tri ... 5?i=80&s=1

The deck is clearly light in color, regardless whether it looks darker than the battleship. In any event the IJN battleship or Kure Gray that the Yamato was painted with is fairly light.

But having taken a closer look at the photo because of your comment, I now lean towards the theory that the deck was wood-colored. Light wood colored, of course. It was not gonna be light tan, but it was light compared to what it looked like 6 months earlier at Leyte Gulf....

Compare the above photo with this one, taken during Leyte Gulf, which clearly shows a MUCH darker deck color than does the above photo from Ten'ichigo:

http://ultimatebattleshipyamatosite.tri ... 4?i=34&s=1
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Vlad, the KMM (Kure Maritime Museum books, published by Diamond-Sha) are large format, ultra clear photo books on the IJN. The series was published in conjunction with the opening of that same museum a few years ago, with photos selected from the Shizuo Fukui collection. I cannot recommend these enough.

Available from several sources, among others:

Pacific Front Hobbies
Hobby Link Japan - http://www.hlj.com/hljlist2/?Maker1=DIA ... =Nav&Dis=2
Amazon Japan
Kunikuniya Bookstore chain.
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I just received my 1/200 Yamato with GMM photo etch, bith sheets, and I have Skulski's book. I can't wait to dive into the beast!
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^ You make me jealous. T_T

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