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jgrease wrote:Ok, here goes. Based on the photos Tracy has provided and others I've looked at from the 'net, if I want an early '43 Essex I should have the following:
-F6F, SBD and TBF in the earlier 2-color blue-grey over light grey with stars on both wings and no Helldivers at all
-those pesky AA galleries were still mounted on the aft end of the ship under the flight deck
-the radar setup is the initial one as launched
Sound right? I sure hope so. I'd like to finish this in the next 3 weeks. The only other outward issue for me is the cat on the flight deck. I know it's wrong, but if I fill it in and mess it up, it be more obvious than just leaving it there. Thanks again for all the help.
The galleries at the end of the flight deck were removed very early in her career. She had them while in-transit from the East Coast to Pearl, but they were removed shortly afterwards. Possibly even while at Pearl and before going to the combat zone. My memory is a little fuzzy and I haven't touched my Essex model in about 9 months now, so it's grain-of-salt time for anything I say.

I believe you are absolutely correct about the air group, though.

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Dick J wrote:Please correct me if I am wrong, but shouldn't the upper surfaces of the wings and horizontal stabilizers on the TBF/TBM's and SB2C's be the darker blue, with the undersides of the folding parts of the wings the medium blue?
True for Tricolor. The airplane camouflage on carriers was done as much to blend in with the carrier as it was to camouflage the aircraft in the air. So the medium blue on the underside of the folding wings was to prevent that part from showing up on a darker deck and making the carrier easier to see. But even the TBFs operated in the two-color scheme.

Below is an extracted history of camouflage taken from the "Naval Aviation Chronology in World War II on NHC's website.
1941
October 13th -The Bureau of Aeronautics directed that all fleet aircraft be painted non-specular light gray except for surfaces seen above which were to be blue-gray. In late December, this color scheme was extended to shore based airplanes except trainers.

1942

April 24 -A new specification for color of naval aircraft went into effect. The color of service aircraft remained non-specular light gray with non-specular blue-gray on surfaces visible from above. Advanced trainers were to be finished in glossy aircraft gray with glossy orange yellow on wing and aileron surfaces visible from above while primary trainers were to be finished glossy orange-yellow with gray landing gear.

1943

FEBRUARY 1 - A new specification prescribing color and marking of naval aircraft became effective. A basic camouflage color scheme was provided for use on fleet aircraft which consisted of semigloss sea blue on surfaces viewed from above and non-specular insignia white on surfaces viewed from below. The terminology "basic non-camouflage" and "maximum visibility" were introduced for the color schemes described in April 1942, and used on intermediate and primary trainers.

1944

MARCH 6 - A new specification for color of naval aircraft went into effect. The basic camouflage scheme, used with fleet aircraft, was modified slightly to provide for use of non-specular sea blue on upper fuselage surfaces; airfoil surfaces visible from above remained semigloss sea blue and other surfaces visible from below, semigloss insignia white. A new basic non-camouflage color scheme, all aluminum, was specified for general use on aircraft not in the combat theater. The maximum visibility color scheme used on primary trainers became glossy orange yellow overall.

MARCH 22 - A new specification for color of fighter aircraft went into effect. It directed that fighters be painted glossy sea blue on all exposed surfaces.

OCTOBER 7 - A new Bureau of Aeronautics color specification went into effect which provided seven different color schemes for aircraft depending upon design and use. The most basic change was the use of glossy sea blue all over on carrier based aircraft and on seaplane transports, trainers and utility aircraft. The basic non-specular camouflage color scheme, semigloss blue above and nonspecular white below, was to be applied to patrol and patrol bombing types and to helicopters. For antisubmarine warfare, two special camouflage schemes--gray on top and sides and white on bottom, or white all over--were prescribed with the selection dependent upon prevailing weather conditions (this had been used by COMNAVAIRLANT since 19 July 1943). All aluminum was to be used on landplane transports and trainers and landplane and amphibian utility aircraft. Orange-yellow was to be used upon target-towing aircraft and primary trainers. Another new scheme, glossy red, was specified for target drones.
Another good link is this NHC FAQ on Markings.
jgrease wrote:-those pesky AA galleries were still mounted on the aft end of the ship under the flight deck

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The only other outward issue for me is the cat on the flight deck. I know it's wrong, but if I fill it in and mess it up, it be more obvious than just leaving it there.
I believe those aft 20mm galleries were removed in April... once again I don't have my notes with me and will have to check when I get home... but I'm on the road until tomorrow afternoon and won't be able to see until I get home then.

The single starboard cat WAS there on Essex; it was just not the same model all the other ships received. Due to the shortage of H4 cats when she was fitting out, she left with a H2 catapult installed (same model as on the Yorktown class and Saratoga). The track was present when she was commissioned. Two H4s were held for her at Puget Sound, but she never made it there during the war and never received them. The visual difference between the two was just length, so you "only" have to fill and and rescribe some of the cat track if you want to fix this particularity.

The track has a long stretch of track fore, larger rectangle at the end of that (essentially equal with the middle of the elevator); anything after that rectangle can be filled and removed. Let me know if that wasn't clear enough....
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Thanks a million Tracy - your info is more than I could ask for. I will be guided accordingly. No aft galleries and 2-tone planes. And the cat will remain as molded - my skills would preclude me from a good fix.
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Leave the hangar cat parts off too..... and happy building!
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Right Tracy - forgot to mention I did that already. Thanks again and I will post pics soon.
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I almost had an heart attack :lol_3: when I saw this advertised this morning :

http://www.modelhobby.pl/angielska/wyda ... ecej&id=69

Don�t know much more details by now, except one thing... I WANT ONE !!!!! :big_grin: :big_grin:

A similar book on the Yamato class :

http://www.modelhobby.pl/angielska/wyda ... ecej&id=57

...has the following details "YAMATO,MUSASHI,SHINANO : ABOUT: 500 pages, 100 pages of color ( 2D, 3D ), 150 photos, 100 pages of drawings ( CAD, 3D ) + fold-outs ( A1 , A3) "... :woo_hoo:

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Wowie!
I looked over the photos and I think I see a few goofs, but it could be a great resource!
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I like the 50 star flag . . . oops!
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Oh hey, that and the fact that they got Randolph's flight deck and director config wrong, airgroup markings wrong for the camouflage, and that all of the aircraft have the same number.... like I said, there are definitely goofs. I don't like to come out of the gates trashin' though.

Having renders like that is something I'd like to do in my book, but it'd be more done to show differences in configuration, such as an early bridge versus a late, early gallery configuration versus late, etc.
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Keith Hufnagel wrote:I like the 50 star flag . . . oops!
Hi Keith... :wave_1:
A little "American" history please, for this side of the Atlantic...is that possible ???
How many should there be ???

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At that point of American history, Alaska and Hawaii were not states yet, and thus the current 50 star flag had only 48 back then.
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Timmy C wrote:At that point of American history, Alaska and Hawaii were not states yet, and thus the current 50 star flag had only 48 back then.
Thanks... :thumbs_up_1:

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Hello Jose, the American flag has changed periodically in our history. (every time a state was added) The 13 stripes remain the same for the 13 original colonies. During WWII the "Star Spangled Banner" had 48 stars, 6 rows of 8, for the continental 48 states (mainland). In 1959 Alaska and Hawaii entered the Union, and added stars. Actually for a few brief months there was a 49 star flag. Believe it or not most Americans don't know this little fact of history or what year Alaska and Hawaii entered.
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Is there any kind of master sheet for the Tom's Modelworks PE set for the Essex? I find the diagrams to be vague at times, especially in regards to the catwalks under the flight deck. The instructions give them numbers, but there is no numbering on the frets themselves. After a week or two painting airplanes for the hangar deck, I'd like to move forward on the flight deck and get that in place. Another question I have regards the forward LSO platform - does early 1943 Essex have one? I asked a question in this vein before and I will have to go back and look. And finally, what color are the life rafts under the flight deck (parts G17 and G18)? As always, help is greatly appreciated.
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Keith Hufnagel wrote:Hello Jose, the American flag has changed periodically in our history. (every time a state was added) The 13 stripes remain the same for the 13 original colonies. During WWII the "Star Spangled Banner" had 48 stars, 6 rows of 8, for the continental 48 states (mainland). In 1959 Alaska and Hawaii entered the Union, and added stars. Actually for a few brief months there was a 49 star flag. Believe it or not most Americans don't know this little fact of history or what year Alaska and Hawaii entered.
Many thanks, for this detailed description of the US flag. :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

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Ok, I will ask another question and re-ask another question:
1. What color are the lifeboats/rafts on the Measure 21 Essex?
2. The Tom's Modelworks PE set makes reference to a "5in Shell Fuse Setting Rack" to be attached to the base of the 5in guns. Anyone have any idea what this looks like when completed? All I have is a sketch in the Squadron Book on page 29, which is no help at all.
Thanks again for everyone's help, especially Tracy - I'm hoping to have my Essex done for a local contest on the 20th. Still have the flight deck to attach and all of those guns to build and detail as well as all of those planes...
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jgrease wrote:1. What color are the lifeboats/rafts on the Measure 21 Essex?
Same as the surround hull color.
jgrease wrote:2. The Tom's Modelworks PE set makes reference to a "5in Shell Fuse Setting Rack" to be attached to the base of the 5in guns. Anyone have any idea what this looks like when completed? All I have is a sketch in the Squadron Book on page 29, which is no help at all.
Check out NavWeaps' 5"/25 page. Those 3 vertical posts on the first picture? Those are 5" shells set into that rack.

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jgrease,

Check out this pic os my Lex in progress:

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The 5"/25 in the lower right has the PE fuse setting rack glued on.

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My continuing adventures with the Tom's PE Essex set have caused me to put the ship back in the garage for the immediate future. This was to prevent the already completed hull and hangar deck from meeting the wall of my office at a high rate of speed. I have found the 40mm shields to be a problem in terms of folding and placing on the base piece. I basically mangled the rails and the shield just doesn't look right. Ugh. I like Tom's set, but the lack of fold lines (ala Gold Medal Models) and recessed cut lines to separate the pieces from the framework make it a bit harder to work with. Better to walk away from a project than to bang my head against the desk and waste my money.
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