Calling all Spruance-class DD fans

[bearcat]

This is Cliffy B`s link and that seems to be an DDH design when compared with an drawing from my book. but be aware, there is an "cut" in the fligthdeck seen from above and i just cant explain how to you.

http://www.shipbucket.com/images.php?di ... er%201.gif

[Sauragnmon]

a Cut in the flight deck? I know the flight deck's edge angles was cut to match with the angle for the mk29 area so it did not interfere with field of fire for Mount 52. Is it a cut that appears like a track, perhaps?

[bearcat]

I`ll give it a try, just bear with my english, On both side of flightdeck there is an cut in..... If you stood with your back against the hangar door and about 3 feet aft, it cuts in at an 45 angle, about 2 feet in, its traigth for about the length of about 15 feet, then 2 feet, 45 angle out to the edge again. Thats the best i can do. This cutin is right above the aft fuel station on both sides.

[Sauragnmon]

ok, so it's got a notch, or a waist-like slice out, giving the flight deck a bit of an hourglass look to it, accomodating for the full-width hangar, but giving a drop to the weather deck in the middle, before running full width down to the slices that give Mount 52 its full field of fire. I'll have to take that concept into consideration.

[bearcat]

If you plan to build this ship, you have to have an illustration from above to do it i am afraid. I cant make my skanner to work with this PC.

[Sauragnmon]

well, what it looks like, is that the deck notches in right to the side wall, providing a walkway. I have to wonder, it looks as if the hangar overhangs the deck or fills over at that point - it seems like it's just got a reinforcing wall that holds up the outer edge bulkheads in that position. From the same perspective, the helipad is widened, as the deck and bulkheads run flush to the hull sides. I might omit the notch, for simplicity sake. It's quite an interesting idea, for certain.

[Cliffy B]

OK guys, I don't have any photos of the helo hangar yet but I have the next best thing; a description! This should give you a rough idea of the interior layout and allow you to to scratch build with some level of accuracy.

*Note: this is for the hangar BEFORE they were widened to the width of the ship*

DD-997 Helo Hangar

Overhead: AFFF nozzles, and rectangular "explosion proof" fluorescent lights. Basically, armored light fixtures with shatter proof glass and the like.

Port Side from Flight Deck: AFFF hose reel recessed in the bulkhead. Hatch leading to the small exterior walkway around the hangar that was deleted when they were widened.

Starboard Side from Flight Deck: Straight up and down ladder (NOT a standard vertical ladder) leading up to a small catwalk with a hatch that led into the Sea Sparrow radar room.

Aft Bulkhead (Opposite Flight Deck) from Port to Starboard: Hatch to an interior passage way. Hatch to the Helo torpedo magazine with accompanying overhead rail for chain winches for transfer to of the torps. Hatch to a repair shop.

Just to give a size reference for the interior of the hangar; you can fit (albeit with very little room to maneuver) a CH-46 with its rotors folded and close the exterior door.

I hope this helps guys! If anyone has any corrections feel free to post them.

[navydavesof]

Hey, guys!

I have been hunting for pictures of the Paul F Foster now that she's The Self Defense Test Ship. I have found a couple pictures, and they're pretty cool looking. They're low-res or taken from a satellite, but what they suggest is pretty cool. Does anyone have pictures of the Foster after she was converted to the SDTS?

[Timmy C]

You've seen this bird's eye shot, i guess? http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/spr ... ?service=1

You can rotate it so that you can see all four sides of the ship.

[navydavesof]

You've seen this bird's eye shot, i guess? http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/spr ... ?service=1

You can rotate it so that you can see all four sides of the ship.

F@#king awesome, Timmy. Thanks so much. I had seen that picture, but I had no idea it could rotate. I downloaded the 3D feature, and it's pretty sweet. Thanks.

That ship looks like it's pretty well off. It has SPY on a platform, Phalanx Block 1B, RAM, SPS-49 on the forward mast, SPQ-9B, and a lot of other cool stuff on its mast and such.

[navydavesof]

Does anyone know what is on top of the masts on the Foster via the link Timmy posted above? They are domes and covers of some sort, but I cannot identify them. I am trying to figure out if they are appropriate to add to a modern and commissioned Spruance or if they are of defensive systems uncommon to a Spruance's suite but associated with some other system being tested.

Thanks guys.

[reigels]

Found a nice set of drawings online for Arthur W. Radford (DD 968):

http://peoships.crane.navy.mil/Inactive ... awings.htm

[Cliffy B]

Found a nice set of drawings online for Arthur W. Radford (DD 968):

http://peoships.crane.navy.mil/Inactive ... awings.htm

Those are scans of the USN General Booklet of Plans. I wish they had uploaded ALL of the sheets though. If you look at the table of contents page its supposed to have both side views, an overview plan view, and an inboard profile, as well as a deck by deck breakdown. The plans themselves skip the first few and start at the 03 Level and work down from there.

Anyone know if the other sheets are available?

[navydavesof]

Hi, guys!

So, do you guys have any scans of the DDH drawings? I would be absolutely interested in seeing line-drawings of the proposed DDH Spruance-class. I have seen the digital sketches involving both the aft 5" and a flight deck consuming the aft 5". So to your knowledges, do you guys have anything?

Mainly the question is how far aft does the flight deck go?

Was there any upgrade that invovled the DDG conversion of the DDH?

Thanks guys.

[navydavesof]

Look what we have here!

Thanks greatly to a link by Sauragnmon.

[navydavesof]

I anyone interested in making a USS Hayler? There would be minimal scratch building, but I think it'd be a really cool project.

Merry Christmas everyone.

-navydave

[Cliffy B]

I have been Dave. Wanted to make one of Hayler as she was built then one as she was planned as the DDH. Would be neat side by side I think. Not sure about 1/700 or 1/350. I think I'll wait at least until you finish your Sprucan DDG project though. I like a lot of the alterations you've done and would like to incorporate them into a DDH whiff.

You notice the stacks in the drawing? They're like the ones on the Ticos instead of the Sprucans; 3 pipes in lieu of 7. What's the logic behind that anyway, any ideas?

[Charles Landrum]

I was OPS on Hayler from 1991-1992. Since she was designed as a DDH and was after the Spruances, she had the engineering plant of the CG-47 class. As I recall when Congress backed off the DDH concept, the Navy was able to finish her as a Spruance in her outward appearance. So the stacks reverted to those of the Spruance class.

[navydavesof]

I have been Dave. Wanted to make one of Hayler as she was built then one as she was planned as the DDH. Would be neat side by side I think. Not sure about 1/700 or 1/350. I think I'll wait at least until you finish your Sprucan DDG project though. I like a lot of the alterations you've done and would like to incorporate them into a DDH whiff.

You notice the stacks in the drawing? They're like the ones on the Ticos instead of the Sprucans; 3 pipes in lieu of 7. What's the logic behind that anyway, any ideas?

Cliffe,
Thank you for the compliment! I do appreciate it. I think as an example of the model, the 1/350 would be the way to go. The stacks on the Hayler drawing I did notice. They are interesting for sure! I know that the propulsion plants were the same between the Spruance and Ticonderogas. The technology behind the stack work, on the other hand, is more advanced aboard the Ticonderogas than the spruances. I would assume the stacks would incorporate the new lessons learned from the Ticos. It's also my impression that Hayler was built much stronger, on the lines of the Ticonderogas and Kidds, than the other Spruances. I think it would be cool to incorporate the Ticonderoga stacks into the design. If I did one, I would want to do it if it had been around 2000 or so; not as a DDG though.

My thoughts were, though, to take pictures of a couple different variants such as ASROC and Tomahawk ABLs and Mk45 5" forward and one with 29-cell VLS and Mk71 forward. I would just leave those pieces loose for the pictures so I could swap back and forth for the photos.

My priority now is the Spruance DDG and an Iowa BBG if possible. I appreciate you taking the techniques I have employed in my model into consideration.

[USN_Matt]

I have a question about the Arthur W. Radford. What fleet was she signed to after she received her refit of the AEM/S in '97?