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Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:47 pm
by Fliger747
Walthers, the Model Railroad Supplier has .006 and .008 wire listed for $4/ pack of four.

T

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:15 am
by DrPR
A friend who sells HO scale model railroad kits told me of his trick for getting small diameter straight wires. He buys it on spools. He cuts off a length, fastens one end in a vise, and then gives the other end a quick hard tug. This pulls it into a perfectly straight piece with no tendancy for curling. Then he cuts it up into the short lengths needed for his kits.

A really good and relatively inexpensive source for wire and rod of all sizes and materials is McMaster-Carr:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#

They offer wire from 0.002" and up in many metals:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#metal-wire/=lec0k7

They also have metal and plastic shapes, sheets, tools, fasteners and just about every thing else, and it is a lot cheaper than what you get at hobby supply shops. Our company has been buying from them for decades, and I get most of my hobby supplies there also. Their web site is the easiest to use of any I have seen.

Phil

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:15 am
by Luky
Thanks for the tips on the wire.
I have already built 3 railings with the .020 so I will have to stick with that.
I do not want to tear all of those areas apart now.

It will still look ok.

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:53 am
by Fliger747
Good info, thanks. Always a consideration for the final use is the stiffness or softness. At what point is it called wire and not rod?

Cheers. T

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:35 pm
by Luky
That is a good question about wire vs.rod.
With bolts and screws it is a "screw" when 1/4 inch or less and a "bolt" when 1/4 inch or larger.

The .020 is not floppy, but I think the .008 thousands wire? would droop? Not sure really.

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:49 pm
by Fliger747
Back from another trip to the ship, took many photos. Something I hadn't noticed before, at the front edge of the recess under the aft Tomahawk deck the curve in the bulkhead curves broadly at the corner and tapers upward. This is a relic of the original 40 mm mount superstructure there. I hate to have to keep performing structural surgery! Also interesting to note that the 5 in mounts on the 03 level under the bridge wing do not have the gun captain hoods, due lack of clearance! I didn't have room there either!

T

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:01 am
by Luky
Fliger747 wrote:Back from another trip to the ship, took many photos. Something I hadn't noticed before, at the front edge of the recess under the aft Tomahawk deck the curve in the bulkhead curves broadly at the corner and tapers upward. This is a relic of the original 40 mm mount superstructure there. I hate to have to keep performing structural surgery! Also interesting to note that the 5 in mounts on the 03 level under the bridge wing do not have the gun captain hoods, due lack of clearance! I didn't have room there either!

T
Thanks for the heads up on the 5 inch guns.
If you can will you post a photo of that? Thanks.

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:49 am
by Fliger747
Will be a day or two as I am flying and traveling a lot, but will try to show a couple of those areas that had me fooled. The most fwd 5" mounts on the 03 level just have the hatch for the gun captain and not the surrounding blast hood. Something I decided to check out when I didn't have room for them there. As those are the top level mounts, not so much of a blast issue from the surrounding mounts, especially as they are tucked under the bridge wings.

The major surgery will be the radius and taper of the turn of the bulkhead corner at the front of the "covered porch". To coin a phrase below the aft Tomahawk deck. Look at some photos of the shipp in 1944 and you will clearly see this shape at the aft of the three Quad 40 mounts.

T

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:45 pm
by Fliger747
have time to get in one: Note the taper and curve of the bulkhead at the start of the covered weather deck just aft of the 56 mount, portside.

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:16 pm
by Fliger747
another shot stb side of the area of the covered weather deck, note how the edge turns and tapers above the ladder.

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:19 pm
by Fliger747
51 mount below bridge wing, stb side. Note that the gun captains hatch has no blast hood due lack of verticle clearance. The hatch, about 1 1/2" STS is spring ballanced to permit easy opening.

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:29 pm
by Fliger747
Blast hood and hatch 55 mount, stb side

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:42 pm
by Fliger747
two photos, another area I screwed up! CIWS deck has an undercut port and stbd.

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:15 pm
by Luky
Yes I missed those too!
"two photos, another area I screwed up! CIWS deck has an undercut port and stbd."

No way to get to it now.

I think what I will do is make two fake covers for those .

You know the captain has to have a place to put his golf clubs etc.,!

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:48 pm
by Luky
Thanks for the very good photos that you posted Fliger 747!!
These will make my model much better.

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:30 pm
by Fliger747
I found some K&S 0.016" brass rod/wire at the local hobby shop. I think that will be good enough for some scratch rail work, close to 3" at 1:192. I took a number of photos in and around the midshups expansion joint. There is a staging platform and access to the launches which I will eventually have to work in which mostly covers that small recess on the 01 level below the fwd Tomahawk deck.

T

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:45 pm
by Fliger747
Luky:

One note about the rail/lifelines on much of the new part of the ship, it is attached to the outside of the decks!

Cheers: T

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:58 pm
by Luky
Fliger747 wrote:Luky:

One note about the rail/lifelines on much of the new part of the ship, it is attached to the outside of the decks!

Cheers: T
Yes. Thanks, I am attaching the railings to the outside of the decks on this model.
On the previous model I attached the railings to the inside, and drilled through the deck.
The only thing I do not like about that is the glue is mostly holding on the railing.
Below is a detail of the model I built in 2005.
Click on the photo to enlarge.

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:15 pm
by Fliger747
Thanks! What did you make the spherical radar domes from?

Cheers. T

Re: 1:192 USS Missouri modern configuration

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:04 pm
by Fliger747
Lucky:

I found some wooden doll head knobs of wood that appear to be about the right size. Not at home so wonder if you have a measurement of what the diameter of the domes?

Cheers. T