The build of 1/700 Carnot... that started over ....

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getting down to nitty gritty stuff....

I knew the fwd funnel base had vents and flaps--so I duly added those-- decals stripe for hole and paper for raised lid.
carnot funnelbase flaps.jpg


Alas--after greater analysis of the existing photos with a fellow French warship fan and researcher ... we

now noted that my aft funnel base was wrong- it also needed to be square-as it also furnished with vents and flaps.

Not wishing to remove the glued and pinned funnel.... I retro- bodged it to get the effect....

without disturbing the steam pipes etc


carnot retro-fit funnel base.jpg
In addition-- the previously (retro)fitted upper bridge stairs ...

...were removed, ( ouch!!) the aperture re-shaped and the stairs re-installed--because the stairs on the real ship actually ran traversely athwartships... outboard to inboard.... small detail--but once I knew--I could no longer leave it alone!! :big_grin:

Oh how I long for a nice 'easy' model to build.....!


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Stunning work. You are a madman, Baumann.
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.... quite mad arghhh! :big_grin:


Todays incredibly time consuming exercise ....

1) extending the aft funnel base fwd slightly--in situ....(!)

2)removing the fwd square vent, narrowing it and lowering it with 2 x new tube vents each side

3) new box vent with open angled square cowl

But then something more interesting also....

Carnot even when under way often carried a large furled awning, slung between the binnacle vent structure and the aft funnel--and then another awning slung between the fwd face of the aft funnel to the aft face of the fwd funnel....

It is a prominent feature--and was supended from overhead cables.
Carnot awning postcard.jpg
I decided my model would have to have this feature..!

I first cut to length and shaped some brass tubing, then proceeded to cover it with white glue to roughen its appearance.
carnot awning 1.jpg
carnot awnings roughened with glue.jpg
The slinging/suspension points were made using dying white glue tease into small triangular shapes.

Once painted it looks like a far rendition of the real thing; once rigged it will make more sense to the casual observer also!
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Hi all!

Despite having a streaming cold- I have spent the past couple of days getting the boats ready for Carnot.

The boats are a mix of modified Combrig, shortened and narrowed WSW, ancient (scrap) Airfix etc...

Not a single boat from the kit was any use....

Carnot's boats appeared to mostly have covers on at all times...- I made these using white glue and acrylic matt paste, smoothed and shaped with a wet brush.

The boats all had a band of exposed varnished wood around the gunwhale, masking these neatly would have been beyond my patience threshold!!

I made this 'timber' feature using a strip of black decal stripe, once dry the decal gave just enough of raised edge to give a clean demarcation line. In addition --on the steam launches the top and bottom has a strip of fine brown stretched sprue added.
The covers over the cockpits of the steam boats were made of paper-- photos of the real thing suggest that the canvas was draped over hoops.

The open boats midships were stacked in each other, I hollowed away the thwarts to make the upper boat appear less 'perched'.

The Canvas covers were outlined in sharp pencil with the under-hull ties being drawn in.
Carnot boats above.jpg
Carnot boats overall view.jpg
The Hull had accommodation ladders aft of midships leading to doors in the hull-- photos show these to have been open sometimes when under way--I guess ventilation...


I made my door 'aperture' using a bit of black decal stripe to simulate the void, the door was made of paper--with a stap of a in to make the porthole within.

The platform was also made of paper attached with varnish.

It will pull together nicely once painted!
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The puzzling out of the small details from photos, and then making them is taking a lot of time.

Carnot was festooned all over with boat booms of all sizes, locating hinge points was quite a game in itself.!

Endless staring at photos elicited 2 x medium sized admiralty pattern anchors--with folded crossbar--to be located aft of the mid-ships battery...

PE is too thin--and indeed I have nothing remotely right in shape or outline of the anchors--

so made my own from scratch using brass wire, shards of brass PE and white glue for the weights
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Carnot carried some very large ( I mean really huge!!!) stocked anchors on the bow....
carnot111.jpg

I made these using my newly honed skills from the admiralty patterns anchors from yesterday...

--but this time the square stock- shaft was made of a piece of the smallest micro-strip styrene I could find--and then split it in half with a blade.
Flukes were made of shards of brass cut with scissors.

( with 95% of the cut 'flukes' sailing thru the air -never to be seen again! )

The 'fattening' of the casting around the crossbar aperture was made using white glue.

I think once painted and the balls/rings have been added to the cross-bar....they will look the part!
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These two anchors and 2 x oval hawsepipe holes took an (to me! ) incredulous 3 hours!!!!!



But overall... the model is slowly nearing completion....

With luck another 3- 4 weeks should see her done--
thereafter I shall treat myself to a nice ...... 'easy' kit build!!!!


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Jim How you do it is beyond me . Save to say the word impressive just does not fit the bill anymore. Jim to me very small is your entire build!!! Then you go and show the fittings. :big_eyes:
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Hello .

Very nice ... :thumbs_up_1:
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Work continues on the nitty gritty small stuff...

Today the main fwd anchors were hung, the supporting bracket housing and access ladders installed.

the fwd hawse-pipe when the ship was underway had a coverplate- this was cut and filed .
The anchor handling decl had its rails installed; these were stanchion and cable--and photos show the cables to be generally
slack and saggy. Having installed the 'straight ' rails they were then stretched and given a gentle sag with the tip of fine tweezers , rolling back and forth twice on ecah piece. care is needed so as not to effectively 'tighten' the curve--with the stanchions leaning in-board- disaster!--hence the gentle stretching with the oscillatory motion with the tweezer point....
The gaplets twixt the deckedge and railing bottom will tomorrow receive a fillet of thinned white glue--which will self-level.
A final coat of paint will hide a multitude of sins!!! :heh:
carnot anchor stowage.jpg



( MAD !! )

BUT.....==> the effect is more subtle and pleasingly irregular compared to 'IJN' type rails...! :big_grin:
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Beautiful beautiful ... :thumbs_up_1:
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One of the things that often lets down other nicely built 1/700 models is small platforms....

When a floor is fitted of plastic or resin, or even brass-- and the rails are fitted on top of the platform
the edges are way over-scale-- and end up looking clunky.

Drilling holes in thin brass, and square ladder aperture can be challenging without distorting the outside edge.

Combined with the difficulty of getting clean paint demarcation lines on the In-side of tiny circular or square platforms...

For many years I have circumvented this by pre-forming the rails to a chosen shape, adhering to the mast and infilling the base of the pre-painted railing with white glue--once set it dries clear-- if painted from the underside perfect paint demarcation will result with a very thin platform effect!

This fwd searchlight platform was complicated by the need of the mast to pass thru an asymmetric position aft-of-centre, ( ie I could not stick the rails to the mast!!) and needing an ladder access aperture...

I solved this in the following manner:

I bent the rail and butt- joined the circle.
I cut some 1/350 handrail using the longitudinals and a stanchion to form it into a "U" shape.
carnot searchlight platform.jpg
This was glued around the mast, and the rails stuck on with matt varnish so that the metal supporting struts were level with the bottom of the handrail, this was facilitated by gluing the aft end first and then adjusting the angle of the model until the rail circle balances level with the fwd butt ends- this was then tacked with CA at both ends


Once this had dried - I in-filled the apertures by spanning white glue across the gaps one side at a time.
carnot searchlight platform2.jpg
Hmnnnnn--need a bit of deck-paint touch-up ! :big_grin:

Note the resulting aft ladder aperture!

carnot searchlight platform3.jpg



Result!


Onwards to more small details...!

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simply amazing jim,the white glue for floors, blast bags and things,works great for things in 1/200 to,this i picked up from your posts. :thumbs_up_1: . i go bug eyed building small things in 1/200 how you do it in 1/700 is mind boggling,i have picked up many tricks from you ,thanks and keep up the good work :thanks:
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Studied observers of this ship will have spotted that there has been no mention of the main and secondary turrets and guns...( not hard!)

As far as I could ascertain and measure...( using digital vernier calliper)

.... the kits supplied items alas truly failed to convince, the castings being:
the wrong height, diameter, flat-topped and not truly circular in some instances!!

I immediately decided to make new turrets.-

BUT... I was unable to achieve the sharpness and repeatability in shape I desired with my manual manufacturing means
(and lacking in both time and patience) plus not having the skill-set to operate a lathe.....
==> indeed not actually owning a lathe being a further handicap! :heh: :heh:
Carnot turrets  kits and modified original.jpg
Burkhardt Masch to the Rescue!!

Burkhardt is the proprietor of well known German based gun and mast manufacturers BMK ( Modellmarine shop.de)
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I supplied measurements and sketches as I perceived I wanted the turrets, and he obligingly converted my rambling scribble into a technical drawing for my approval, whereupon he then proceeded to turn all 12 differently sized turrets on his CNC miniature lathe, as well as the long main gun barrels and all the long 4.5 in

The main turrets and wing turret and barbettes were turned in Acrylic ( an new medium to me) and the 4.5 turrets, in two batches of subtly differing heights in solid brass.

All have a beautifully subtle domed tops--and all are identical, something that I was unable to achieve manually...

I am simply delighted with my new turrets--which I feel will really lift the model.

Highly recommend farming out something one cannot achieve oneself..--why compromise the model! :big_grin: :thumbs_up_1:

Let the pictures speak....
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Those turrets are amazing! Very sharp work Jim. Very sharp.
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That's a brilliant idea. And mr. Masch is indeed very helpful in these matters: he cast the turrets and turned the custum barrels for my Rivadavia. (Thanks again!)

And for the Carnot: this is another level in scratchbuilding! :thumbs_up_1:
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JIM BAUMANN wrote:Studied observers of this ship will have spotted that there has been no mention of the main and secondary turrets and guns...( not hard!)

As far as I could ascertain and measure...( using digital vernier calliper)

.... the kits supplied items alas truly failed to convince, the castings being:
the wrong height, diameter, flat-topped and not truly circular in some instances!!

I immediately decided to make new turrets.-

BUT... I was unable to achieve the sharpness and repeatability in shape I desired with my manual manufacturing means
(and lacking in both time and patience) plus not having the skill-set to operate a lathe.....
==> indeed not actually owning a lathe being a further handicap! :heh: :heh:
Carnot turrets kits and modified original.jpg
Burkhardt Masch to the Rescue!!

Burkhardt is the proprietor of well known German based gun and mast manufacturers BMK ( Modellmarine shop.de)
https://shop.modellmarine.de/index.php? ... c81cb25987 and MW.com sponsor.

I supplied measurements and sketches as I perceived I wanted the turrets, and he obligingly converted my rambling scribble into a technical drawing for my approval, whereupon he then proceeded to turn all 12 differently sized turrets on his CNC miniature lathe, as well as the long main gun barrels and all the long 4.5 in

The main turrets and wing turret and barbettes were turned in Acrylic ( an new medium to me) and the 4.5 turrets, in two batches of subtly differing heights in solid brass.

All have a beautifully subtle domed tops--and all are identical, something that I was unable to achieve manually...

I am simply delighted with my new turrets--which I feel will really lift the model.

Highly recommend farming out something one cannot achieve oneself..--why compromise the model! :big_grin: :thumbs_up_1:

Let the pictures speak....
The pictures speak of outrrrrageous, and awesome, detail!
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Thank you all for your encouragement and kind words! :thumbs_up_1:

Fine detailing is now in hand...

Much study of photos produced a hatch on the foredeck underneath the gun barrel.
The photos that I had showed these hatch lids to often be open- even underway....
I made my hatch using Voyager doors and paper triangles for the ends, lightly dusted with graphite
Carnot foredeck hatch.jpg
The turret painting and detailing is now moving on apace...
The turret all had slim asymmetric doors that sealed the aperture in the turret ( presumably for heavy seas)

I made mine using some PE rings ( L'arsenal) that I squashed on a corner of smooth faced pliers after cutting in half; this resulted in the interesting asymmetric shape--and was repeatable.
Carnot 4.5 turret door flaps.jpg
The sighting hoods are being made of styrene rod smoothed into a ball and cut in half.

The demarcation line twixt grey and black is hard to mask accurately and consistently; I preferred to paint roughly and bridge the gap with black decal strip and then paint to the edge of the decal strip--it looks pretty sharp!

More soon


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very nice turrets and hatches jim,i hope you stay at these small scales,if you build something in 1/200 i might have to shoot myself(lol).every time i get in a rut trying to get something to look right i look it your work in these small scales for inspiration. :thumbs_up_1:
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hard to believe the level of detail you got here.. great job Jim :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: and happy birthday old chap !! :big_grin:


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The ship is crawling towards completion-=> on its hand and knees it sometimes seems to me ....!!

The turrets have been installed, the sighting hoods made of styrene rod rounded and split and the aperture made of a sliver of decal strip after painting.

There was a a further triangular/cloverleaf shaped sighting aperture in the fwd face adjacent to the barrel--this again was made of slivers of decal stripe
Carnot sighting hoods.jpg

I made the anchor handling crane, and after staring at photos for ages I discovered a low breakwater on the anchor handling deck fwd-which was made and installed of brass strip, and made the the gunbarrel supports
Carnt foredeck.jpg

The ship with her turrets in place looks much more purposeful and I am feeling encouraged that the end result will be an interesting model after all!

Self-doubt always creeps in; when I think the whole model is not sharp enough-- a direct result of seeing the model for over 2 months thru an Optivisor--where every flaw is greatly magnified, leave alone when viewed on a large PC monitor !
Carnot overall view pt bow.jpg



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