Dan K wrote:While the new Fujimi kits are better in most respects, at least Hasegawa got the casemates angles correct. Also the deck planking. OF the new Fujimi ktis, the Hiei is the one that can be built OOB with minimal, if any, corrections.
Dan,
Do you mind elaborating what is wrong in particular with the Fujimi Kirishima and Kongo kits, aside from the casemate angles? You did say above that the Hiei was the only one in the class you could build with the least corrections.
Hopefully these other mistakes are correctable...
"Haijun" means "navy" in Mandarin Chinese.
"You have enemies? Good. It means you stood up for something in your life."- Winston Churchill
Asides from the casemates there is nothing wrong with Fujimi's IJN Kongo class, of course if you want to go over the top you can find various ways to scrathcbuild and use PE parts all over the models, but out of the box, Fujimi's IJN Kongo class is the best and most accurate in 1/700(and 1/350) at the moment.
Aside from the casemate issue (excepting Hiei), and the covered portholes on the early war Kongo & Kirishima, they are excellent, as Atma says. They are all great right OOB; Hiei needs no corrections that I am aware of. I mean, there's always soemthing to complain about, right?
Dan K wrote:Aside from the casemate issue (excepting Hiei), and the covered portholes on the early war Kongo & Kirishima, they are excellent, as Atma says. They are all great right OOB; Hiei needs no corrections that I am aware of. I mean, there's always soemthing to complain about, right?
If the issue with the Fujimi Kongo and Kirishima was the casemates and portholes, while Hasegawa got the casemates right on their Kongos...
...then what are the particular issues with Hasegawa's own Kongo and Kirishima?
Problems with the superstructure, wrong turret tops or deck planking in certain places which was the same problem with other Aoshima BBs like Yamashiro, as stated by Atma?
Just wanted to clarify and I appreciate all your helpful feedback so far from both of you.
"Haijun" means "navy" in Mandarin Chinese.
"You have enemies? Good. It means you stood up for something in your life."- Winston Churchill
Everything else is wrong with Hasegawa, even the portholes as they dont follow a certain pastern and they are holes in the hull. The over simplistic Pagoda and aft stump mast, the over scale planking in the deck and in the float plane deck, the turrets etc but after all is a 15+ years old kit. What you expect from a kit that know is considered as a bath toy.
Atma wrote:Asides from the casemates there is nothing wrong with Fujimi's IJN Kongo class, of course if you want to go over the top you can find various ways to scrathcbuild and use PE parts all over the models, but out of the box, Fujimi's IJN Kongo class is the best and most accurate in 1/700(and 1/350) at the moment.
So scratchbuilding is the only way to overcome this casemate issue?
Other than buying a Hasegawa kit of the same model and matching the Hasegawa hull (which has the right casemates) with the Fujimi kit's superstructure?
I asked a similar question to you at the Nagato class thread.
Ahh...the price of historical accuracy...
"Haijun" means "navy" in Mandarin Chinese.
"You have enemies? Good. It means you stood up for something in your life."- Winston Churchill
You cant use the Hasegawa hull on a Fujimi IJN Kongo class. Only if you can pull a nice scratch building effort/miracle. The amount of time and effort is not worth it.
At the end of the day forget the Hasegawa's IJN Kongo's, they are deprecated old models. At the moment and for a while only Fujimi's IJN Kongo class are worth it if you want a nice looking accurate IJN Kongo class with just a few PE here and there and maybe few alterations. Fujimi's IJN Kongo(and IJN Nagato/IJN Ise/IIJN Fuso class of Imperial Battleships) are at the moment you only choice and its not a bad thing. And especial the IJN Ise and IJN Fuso class that is the pinnacle of plastic in 1/700, the best battleships models in 1/700.
With the exception of Hiei, did the rest of these full-hull Kongo class battleship kits already have their casemates corrected? Seems I was able to find them on Ebay already. hehe.
I also remember that the only Kongo class I ever built when I was a teenager was a 1/700 Haruna kit from Nichimo. To think I actually liked the result back then... hehe.
"Haijun" means "navy" in Mandarin Chinese.
"You have enemies? Good. It means you stood up for something in your life."- Winston Churchill
CCGSailor wrote:With the exception of Hiei, did the rest of these full-hull Kongo class battleship kits already have their casemates corrected? Seems I was able to find them on Ebay already. hehe.
The casemate "problem" is a bit exaggerate by the modeling community, and its hard to tell to a non expert eye.
CCGSailor wrote:With the exception of Hiei, did the rest of these full-hull Kongo class battleship kits already have their casemates corrected? Seems I was able to find them on Ebay already. hehe.
The casemate "problem" is a bit exaggerate by the modeling community, and its hard to tell to a non expert eye.
Well, is the answer to my above question about the full hull versions then "yes" or "no"?
"Haijun" means "navy" in Mandarin Chinese.
"You have enemies? Good. It means you stood up for something in your life."- Winston Churchill
First off, I disagree with Atma. If one has any familarity with the older IJN BBs, or any BB with casemated guns, then the kit error will have to give pause. OTOH, the error won't make any difference at all to the casual modeler.
I don't have any of the full hull versions but, judging from the photos: https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10262557n/40/1 , all Fujimi has done is add a separate lower hull. Which means that all but Hiei remain uncorrected.
Fujmi offers two version of IJN Ryujo an early war version and a early 1930's version(Same with with IJN Ryuho, and early war and a 1945 version). Stay away from the SWM-14, is a 30+ years old tooling of IJN Haruna.
The SWM-25 is an early 1944 IJN Haruna and is a new tool, invest in that model.
Hey everyone. I just got a boat load of 1/700 ships already built in the mail. Problem is the packaging wasn't done very well and all the ships had parts broken off. One of the ships is the old tool Fujimi Haruna. I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the instructions they could scan or point me in the direction of the instructions online? Also does anyone have any spare metal barrels or photo etch they can get rid of?
Dear Colleagues,
During my recent project I�m working on Kirishima main superstructure now. It�s preassembled and goes well each other.
I designed most used optics equipments being used on IJN heavy ships:
110 searchlight controller,
12cm observation and direction controller (Kansoku-Kyo)
Secondary gun director Fukuho Hoiban Soyoun Sochi
Target course and speed controller
Target tracing unit
Some of them here:
Before I close and glue finally the levels of pagoda superstructure I would like to place optical equipment there. Do you know the arrangements of those during her final battle on Guadalcanal? I saw some drawings but cannot read Japanese� Does anyone could help me to get it in English?
thanks
Greg
Aside from the exquisite work, that is a great comparison shot with the kit parts. I'll look in the Gakken books but, have you seen the 3DCG renderings of Kirishima on the Miyukikai website. Go to the bottom of this page for some placement of optical equipment: http://www2.odn.ne.jp/miyukikai/newpage11.htm
Well, the thing is, the searchlights mounted on the bridge are all 60cm & cm signaling lights, not battle lights. Not sure there is a controller. I'll keep looking.
Reference-wise, there's nothing obvious without being able to read Japanese. The 1/100 Kongo and Haruna models in the Gakken books DO show Shiki Type 94 searchlight controllers in those same positions as Fujimi instructs.
