Calling all HMS "Mighty" Hood fans

[NigelR32]

Hi everyone, hope you're all doing good?

I am after a little advice please.. I am trying to purchase an additional fret#5 from Pontos. I have mailed their "Help@" email twice now and have been totally ignored twice.

Does anyone have a direct email address that might be more helpful please?

Regards

Nige

[Timmy C]

Is this about the Hood?

[EJFoeth]

Thanks for that. After having a good look at the parts and the micromaster boats thats pretty much the list I came up with although I wasn't sure what that 3rd 35ft fast motor boat was (thought it might be a 25ft motor cutter). I didn't see the 30ft gig or 16ft fast motor boat though. Where would they have been stored?

The 30ft gig is stored on a 32ft motorized cutter (starboard side). The two 16 ft sailing dinghies are stored on cradles fixed to the side of the centre structure between the funnels; the 16 ft fast motor boat is on starboard of that structure, stored on the boat deck.



This images from the Eaves collection of the HMS Hood association shows both types of 16ft boats, as well as one 25ft fast motor boat. The gig on top of the cutter is technically visible in the background (but not very obvious in this image). Boats are usually covered at sea, more interesting when not.

[dick]

Here is a photo from �37/38: http://www.hmshood.com/hoodtoday/models ... p507c6.jpg
The left hand image is more applicable in this case. We�re not sure, however if this is before or after scraping/cleaning in preparation for re-coating. The right hand image, on the other hand, appears to shows the topside being coated with red lead and presumably the bottom having its protective undercoating applied (I labeled the photo to show where the final colours should go).

I agree that the left-hand photo could be interpreted as after cleaning in preparation for painting; in the right-hand picture we could be looking at the second (slate) protective coat of paint (rather than the anti-fouling coat as the photo itself is labelled). We need to be sure that we are looking at the third/final anti-fouling coat of paint. For this we need photos of Hood�s bottom with the draught marks painted up. These would have been painted last of all, over the boot topping and lower hull anti-fouling paint layer. Being welded-on steel Roman numerals these were fairly permanent fixtures on a ship. These are Hood�s in 1918:

It was custom and practice to take the painting of these well below the waterline and this continued in wartime:

Just curious, but are there similar codes associated with other P&B colors? They made more than grey right? We also need to see if we can determine Hood�s pre 1936 antifouling colours.

Not sure I understand what you mean by "codes"? The only colours mentioned for the P&B paints under the "Ships' Bottom Compositions" Rate Book heading (Sub Head E. 7) were Black, Slate, Grey and Black (flat or gloss). There were no codes. I guess if someone could turn up a P&B paint catalogue from the era that might show their grey. They were a specialist manufacturer of marine preservative and anti-fouling paints and I would say that it is quite possible that they did only have one "grey".

What you saw was the Peacock & Buchan's protective and anti-fouling paint listing from the 1940/41 Rate Book:

The previous Rate Book I copied pages from is the 1937/38 edition. It says exactly the same. The numbers to the right are the price the Admiralty was willing to pay per cwt in � s d:

Sadly I did not copy the "Ships' Bottom Compositions" pages from any earlier Rate Books but few seem to survive in any case. The only two relevant to Hood that I have come across are the 1919 and 1931 Editions but I do not know what they might have said about the authorised P&B colours then.

[Ady]

Thanks for that. After having a good look at the parts and the micromaster boats thats pretty much the list I came up with although I wasn't sure what that 3rd 35ft fast motor boat was (thought it might be a 25ft motor cutter). I didn't see the 30ft gig or 16ft fast motor boat though. Where would they have been stored?

The 30ft gig is stored on a 32ft motorized cutter (starboard side). The two 16 ft sailing dinghies are stored on cradles fixed to the side of the centre structure between the funnels; the 16 ft fast motor boat is on starboard of that structure, stored on the boat deck.



This images from the Eaves collection of the HMS Hood association shows both types of 16ft boats, as well as one 25ft fast motor boat. The gig on top of the cutter is technically visible in the background (but not very obvious in this image). Boats are usually covered at sea, more interesting when not.

Ah right I get it now. Cheers for the help it's much appreciated.

[Guest]

Frank and Dick,

For what this is worth. The Southampton Archives Office holds material relevant to Peacock and Buchan Ltd in the form of account books, testimonials and advertising material under the File Number D/Z 981 (I have not taken the matter any further).
That information was obtained by "Googling." Some more historical information is also available via the same search method. P and B Ltd appear to have been taken over some time in the 1960's by another firm, which might still be trading.

[dick]

Frank and Dick,

For what this is worth. The Southampton Archives Office holds material relevant to Peacock and Buchan Ltd in the form of account books, testimonials and advertising material under the File Number D/Z 981 (I have not taken the matter any further).
That information was obtained by "Googling." Some more historical information is also available via the same search method. P and B Ltd appear to have been taken over some time in the 1960's by another firm, which might still be trading.

Yes, I saw that too. We need someone in the Southampton area to have a look for us once the Covid restrictions are relaxed!

[FW_Allen]

FYI all, I just found a reference, also in Hood�s books (ADM 136/13, Volume 1), that states Hood�s bottom was painted with Peacocks & Buchan�s antifouling grey on 20/1/20 and 20/2/20. It was a manuscript entry that I�d overlooked before. I also see a reference to P&B grey being used in 1925 as well. There are a few gaps here and there, but for the most part, it seems she was a P&B ship from start to finish.

By the way, thanks for the tip �Guest!� I was aware of the Sealocote connection but hadn�t thought to check the Southampton Archives. Maybe we can get someone in the area to take a look.

[NigelR32]

Hi everyone, hope you're all doing good?

I am after a little advice please.. I am trying to purchase an additional fret#5 from Pontos. I have mailed their "Help@" email twice now and have been totally ignored twice.

Does anyone have a direct email address that might be more helpful please?

Regards

Nige

Is this about the Hood?

Yes Timmy, sorry, have I posted it in the wrong place?

Nige

[Timmy C]

Yes, this thread is sitting on its own instead of as a post/reply within the Hood thread. I've merged it into there now. (in the future, use the New Reply button to ensure your post goes into the the topic it's meant for)

[Cag]

Hi All

Hi Nigel, if I'm correct the fret 5 is the funnel revision, I think that fret was sent out with the kit to enable the large funnel version to be made.

I'm not sure if its available separately but also not sure why you're getting no response from Pontos unless the current world situation has forced a shutdown.

I think there are 3d printed alternatives out there if you're getting no joy from Pontos, sorry I can't be of further help but I'm sure the Hood Association website has a link on the 1/200 Trumpeter kit review to the manufacturers of the 3d alternatives.

If you have the Pontos set you could use the large Pontos funnel interior and cage etch parts together with the original Trumpeter larger funnel etch on 3d funnels?

Hope that helps a wee bit
Cag.

[NigelR32]

Hi All

Hi Nigel, if I'm correct the fret 5 is the funnel revision, I think that fret was sent out with the kit to enable the large funnel version to be made.

I'm not sure if its available separately but also not sure why you're getting no response from Pontos unless the current world situation has forced a shutdown.

I think there are 3d printed alternatives out there if you're getting no joy from Pontos, sorry I can't be of further help but I'm sure the Hood Association website has a link on the 1/200 Trumpeter kit review to the manufacturers of the 3d alternatives.

If you have the Pontos set you could use the large Pontos funnel interior and cage etch parts together with the original Trumpeter larger funnel etch on 3d funnels?

Hope that helps a wee bit
Cag.

Hi Cag,

Thanks for your reply. Fret # 5 is the fret for the forward funnel, Fre # 4 is for the rear funnel, which as we know is smaller in circumference. We can obtain an additional fret# 5 from Pontos, many have, and then expand the smaller kit part to make the correct rear funnel. I am aware there are aftermarket funnels available, however, the mesh and other PE detail from fret #4 will be too small to fit.

I find it strange, (and annoying) that they are ignoring my emails.

Nige

[Timmy C]

It might just be your email provider is on their provider's default-to-spam list, or their inbox is full. For the first, you can try sending using a different email address (if you haven't already); for the latter, you can try posting in one of their existing threads in the Manufacturers & Suppliers section.

[EJFoeth]

Missing Pontos parts isn't really useful in a CASF thread and unrelated to the subject.

[Cag]

Hi All,

Hi Nigel no problem wish I could be more of a help, it is odd that you've received no reply, but Timmy C may have answered that one.

Frank Allen contributed to the thread Pontos posted which created the etched set, so I'm sure Pontos keep an eye on these pages, so that may open an avenue.

If you need any info on Hood this is a great place to visit as Mr Allen and Mr Foeth are the experts on the subject, I do have the Pontos set which has the fret 5 which I got from the excellent Sovereign Hobbies, so if you need any info on the set itself drop me a PM and I'll answer any questions on it.

Best wishes
Can.

[NigelR32]

Missing Pontos parts isn't really useful in a CASF thread and unrelated to the subject.

Not missing parts....

Please advise where I should post items related to Hood aftermarket then???

[Cag]

Hi All

Hi Nigel, I've popped a new post in the original pontosmodel 1/200 Hood thread in the manufacturers and suppliers section if that helps.

Best wishes
Cag.

Link to the thread: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=162889&start=560

[chuck]

On the forward port side of Hood's compass platform, Outside and just under the window, there is an inclined projection that slopes downwards. It looks like some kind of the chute. It was there at least since 1924 and was there in 1941. AOTS Hood labeled it improbably as "chart table". It seems absurd the chart table would be outside the wind screen and inclined downwards.

Does anyone know what it is?

[tjstoneman]

The projection to which chuck refers was indeed a chart table. Many larger RN warships of the period had similar fittings. The table itself was horizontal, with a sloped cover above it, rather than a horizontal one, presumably to prevent water pooling on top of it. It was supported by two diagonal struts bracing it to the outside of the conning platform screen. In this position, it would not obstruct movement on the conning platform (except, obviously, the obstruction caused by anyone looking at a chart on it!). A photo from the outside shows the arrangement: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 054%29.jpg; not sure I have a reference showing the view from the user's side, looking towards the cut-out in the conning platform screen.

[chuck]

Perhaps the sloped top is meant for charts spread on top of the flat bottom side to be easily viewed from inside the compass platform.