Calling all USN, RN Escort Carriers (CVE) fans

Jose Chaica · Post by **Jose Chaica** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:08 am

They played a very important role in WW2, which sometimes is not told about !
They executed ASW missions, transport duties, mining missions. They were used as assault carriers, convoy escorts and were also used as training units...
They existed in the US Navy, in the Royal Navy, and in the Japanese Navy too.
They were called "Baby flattops", "Kaiser�s coffins", "Woolwoth Carriers","Combustible Volatile and Expendable (CVE)"...
This topic is supposed to deal with all CVE doubts...

Jose Chaica · Post by **Jose Chaica** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:37 pm

By the way, does anybody knows where to get GOOD scale plans for the Bogue/Ruler class carriers ???
Thanks...

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Tracy White · Post by **Tracy White** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:11 am

No idea, but I'm subscribing anyway! I would love a couple of good CVE's in plastic!

Jose Chaica · Post by **Jose Chaica** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:02 am

Tracy White wrote:No idea, but I'm subscribing anyway! I would love a couple of good CVE's in plastic!

Especially if they were done in 1/350!!! There isn�t a single one, if I�m not mistaken.
It would offer us some very interesting subjects to model...

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mike mccabe · Post by **mike mccabe** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:35 am

If this includes the RN operated ships and MAC ships then count me in. I will at some point be getting some plans of a MAC ship from the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich, it would be worth dropping them an email to see if they have any of the RN operated ships plans if you can't get them anywhere else. It would be nice to think with all the Trumpeter carrier releases that they might get round to an escort carrier, never thought of that before!

Mike

Tracy White · Post by **Tracy White** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:16 pm

There is Tamiya's 1/700th Bogue, but nothing in 1/350th.

Mike, if a Bogue class were released It would be very easy to convert it from USN to RN. I have some textual records I'm going to go through at Seattle NARA in a couple of months; I've done an early scan of some stuff and found a couple pictures (visible on Navsource) but am wondering if anyone knows of any good books on RN escorts, history, camouflage, etc. The Bogue class was pretty much a Seattle area job so I may have lots of records in my local arvhices for at least the initial build-up of all the ships.

Some of the textual records I glanced over might be useful; they didn't list specific, but did, for example, list what radar manuals were needed for the ships at the time they were turned over to the RN.

mike mccabe · Post by **mike mccabe** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:37 pm

Hi Tracy
Yes, it isn't that difficult to modify the Tamiya Bogue to a RN version, I did it a few months back, have a look in my gallery list.

Regarding books, currently available is Royal Navy Escort Carriers by David Hodd, I don't have a copy and have seen it and it seems to be a pretty thorough history of the individual ships with quite a few photos. There are some older books now out of print which come up on ebay, but I think it would be useful to put a list of references together, I'll have a look at it.

Mike [/url]

Jose Chaica · Post by **Jose Chaica** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:46 am

mike mccabe wrote:... currently available is Royal Navy Escort Carriers by David Hodd...

Is it David Hodd, or David Hobbs ??? If it is Hobbs, then I have this book (there shouldn�t be plenty around on this subject), and for what I�ve already read, it�s very interesting. It is primarily a book which describes all RN escort carriers individual history. It has, some very interesting pictures, and perhaps the most interesting, it has an appendix(nr6) which contains a full description of all naval air squadrons embarked in these escort carriers.
If anybody wishes, I can try to make a better description of this book. Just let me know...

PS - I didn�t knew that the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich had such plans (MAC)... That�s very interesting to hear about.
As for the Bogues/Ruler, I have some doubts, as these were built in the US.

mike mccabe · Post by **mike mccabe** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:15 pm

jmchaica wrote:
Is it David Hodd, or David Hobbs ???

PS - I didn�t knew that the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich had such plans (MAC)... That�s very interesting to hear about.
As for the Bogues/Ruler, I have some doubts, as these were built in the US.

Sorry yes, Hobbs, David Hodd is somebody I know through work!

They at least have plans of Empire MacCabe which I will get hold of at some point.

You can always ask NMM, enquiries are free and they have an awful lot of material.

Mike

Filipe Ramires · Post by **Filipe Ramires** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:26 pm

mike mccabe wrote:They at least have plans of Empire MacCabe which I will get hold of at some point.

Empire MacCabe!?!?!?!

Any Empire Ramires out there too????

mike mccabe · Post by **mike mccabe** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:31 pm

Good eh?

Mike

Jose Chaica · Post by **Jose Chaica** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:25 am

I knew that NMM had such scale plans. I once got in contact with them, because I had heard that they held some XIX century, portuguese ships, scale plans, and they did... But they�re not cheap !!! Do you know the price of these (MAC) plans ??? And how many sheets ???

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mike mccabe · Post by **mike mccabe** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:05 pm

They quoted me �30 or so for one sheet, but they only have one sheet so I hope it is a good one.

Not cheap but if you really want a particular ship which is unlikely to ever see a model, this is probably the only option

Mike

Jose Chaica · Post by **Jose Chaica** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:24 pm

mike mccabe wrote:They quoted me �30 or so for one sheet, but they only have one sheet so I hope it is a good one.

Not cheap but if you really want a particular ship which is unlikely to ever see a model, this is probably the only option

Mike

Yes you�re right about these "rare" subjects...

BTW did they mentioned what came with the plans ??? Hull sections/stations , Side profiles, etc etc...

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mike mccabe · Post by **mike mccabe** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:32 pm

Sorry I just dug out the letter, there are two sets of plans, a profile and flight deck and the second is decks, doesn't say the size.

Mike

Tracy White · Post by **Tracy White** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:17 pm

Just out of curiosity, what ship do you all want to build? Me, I'd like to do Bogue CVE-9 and Card CVE-11. A plus would be Bogue and her task group

Mac · Post by **Mac** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:53 pm

I'm planning on doing the Tamiya Bogue kit as Card during her November 1943 patrol. I've completed a few aircraft for the deck, and done a lot of work on the hull. I didn't do too much research, so I'm not sure I used the right island parts for this ship/timeframe. It was my first model in a long time, so I'm OK with any inaccuracies. I stalled out about 1 year ago when I got busy, but I hope to finish it before I start any new projects.

Mac

Jose Chaica · Post by **Jose Chaica** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:30 pm

I picked up Anatomy of the Ship Gambier Bay, as well as some more books on the subject, and started building a Casablanca in 1/72. It will probably be either Natoma Bay or Manila Bay, as they appeared during the landings on Saipan 1944, with their decks full of Army P47.
I�ll post a picture or two in the next few days. I�m still early on this project, but it will grow for sure...

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Filipe Ramires · Post by **Filipe Ramires** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:07 am

Tracy White wrote:Just out of curiosity, what ship do you all want to build? Me, I'd like to do Bogue CVE-9 and Card CVE-11. A plus would be Bogue and her task group

I have HMS Tracker half built!!!

mike mccabe · Post by **mike mccabe** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:41 pm

Pulling together resources to build the MAC ship Empire MacCabe.

Mike