SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

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Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

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Usual old thing...

spend hours staring at momentary glimpses of low-res-old grainy film...

and piecing together the evidence

Upper levels are taking shape.. along with the crane derricks and their platforms, - made in my usual manner of creating the shape in railing--attaching to the mast/tripod structure and then in-filling the 'floor' with white glue--so as to keep the platforms completely thin and as near scale as possible...

( I have indicated these with the arrows ! )

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The upper spotting tops had a large number of gussets supporting them ...-- giving the distinctive outline when viewed from a distance....

These were all made of slivers of papera few in brass-- tacked into place with Matt varnish--and then back-filled with CA glue on the end of a piece of springy stretched sprue...
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Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

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Hello Jim

your work is always impressive of sharpness,even if it is about a wreck :thumbs_up_1:

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Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

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@: LE BOSCO...

thank you!!

I proceed onwards....

For want of a better word...there some 'lookout' (?) boxes fwd and aft at the base of the aft funnel .

The plans are not conclusive as to their shape--the original( removed!) casting showed these to be square...

Examination and cross-referencing of side elevation and overhead photos suggest they had radiused corners
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(Note the high water tide mark...)
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The vent openings underneath were made of some PE railing cut down...

The yellow line shows the eventual water level--disguising any roughness of finish below this line ... :big_grin: :heh: :cool_2:
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The floors were made using white glue--these are awkward shapes and it ever so easy to introduce excessive thickness when using conventional construction materials...
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However-- facilitate the easy spreading of a white glue film--I have subdivided the areas into smaller more manageable sections using small sprue ices to subdivide the areas.
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The roofs were made of paper--cut folded in half to achieve symmetry.

The cease is flattened out using lots of pressure in Jewelers smooth pliers

Here seen tacked in place using matt varnish-they will be infused with very thin CA glue to make rigid and impervious to moisture

Next headache will be the stanchion dividers-wish me luck

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Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

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Very Interesting build you have here Jim.

I have been following your builds for many years and It never surprises me how you find so much Interesting ship builds.

It is only in the last few years that I have decided to comment on this forum after registering.

Your answers to many ways of constructing have helped me and many others to have a go, my handy cap has been the rigging on ships, but again I now have started doing rigging and hope to make a good job of my first.

This project is the first I have seen of a sunken ship build.

Watching with great Interest. :smallsmile:
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Just great, Jim. Its execution is perfect. :smallsmile: :thumbs_up_1: :woo_hoo:

Forward to following their progress, as I have in mind a small diorama like yours.

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It does say it will dry clear on the instructioins...

lets hope so!!! :big_grin: :cool_2:
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the moment of truth :D

i'm just curious about the acrilic gel technique.
have you painted the base with some deep blue colour or what?
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If it doesn't work, build an easier one:

Kaiserin

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Ha!

thats a lot of rigging on those airlock tubes.....

image from olaf:

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thankfully the first layer appears to be drying clear....

I think it will take 48 hours or so.

I will then colour tint the water--thinly over the hull and more so in the deep 'water'.


One should not be able to see anything of the ship under water unless on is directly overhead-only the suggestion of the outlines of the stern receding into deeper water aft....

-the previously posted movie footage bears this out--even when viewed from high up--the water simply reflects too much...

useful photos during salvage operations--showing the huge amount of Barnacle and weed growth....

I think I may backdate the depiction time-frame my model slightly to around 1920-- when the searchlights where still in place and the marine growth was yet that extreme....
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Looking great Jim :thumbs_up_1: The pic above has a sort of victorian spaceship feel to it. Rising through the clouds and all.
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Well the first layer dried clear...the deep stuff on teh aft deck is still milky....


I built a 'dam' of (greased ) styrene strips around the entire base--mainly so that I could get the edge levels flat and fair using a palette knife

( its like spreading butter--but leaving any marks....)


I think this will take about 5 or more days to dry and cure...

...........I may have to start another model.... :cool_2: :cool_2:


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Hi Jim,

I know we spoke earlier... but just had to look again before I went to bed and this looks stunning. I can't wait to see a photo of the Gel fully dried and before you have started painting just to see how the translucency of the gel looks with the ship semi-submerged... this is going to finish up as something really, really special... even for you! :thumbs_up_1:
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Now this looks very promising!

I hope everything will work well, fingers crossed!

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Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

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How�s your �sea� drying out Jim? It�s five days tomorrow and I�m itching to see how it�s doing.

Will we get an update?
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Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

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Hey Jim, what guy said ''its not a race ?'' you're wizzing through some wonderful builds of late, dare I say you've gone into factory mode :pout:
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....How�s your �sea� drying out Jim? It�s five days tomorrow and I�m itching to see how it�s doing.


slowly--ever so slowly....


It is in a wire mesh case( dust) with sillica gel sachets and a de-humidifier running on top of the
(flat -topped) hot water tank in the airing cupboard....

it IS clearing-- but I think grass grows faster....

I can see it taking a few weeks... ( arghhh!!!!! )


from what I can see so far it WILL look very very cool!-- in June.... :big_grin: :cool_2:

@ alec... race..? --not me.... :big_grin: Krassin took over 4 months.....

Hindenburg 'could' have been a quickie... but alas....
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I think the problem with using thick layers of acrylic gel at a time is that the top layer dries and solidifies faster than the bottom, creating a barrier that makes it even harder for the bottom layers to dry. The only way around this is to do it in multiple thin layers...hmm, that sounds familiar.
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Fog springs to mind :cool_1:

But your right Timmy on the layers, thin is best, found that out the hard way :wave_1: .

Hope it works out ok Jim, I am sure it will.
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Hello, Jim, interesting building report. :thumbs_up_1: The SMS Hindenburg is a good example in this version!

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Nice progress and a good idea to present SMS Hindenburg!
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