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by **Guest** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:46 am

Walt wrote:
kennylibben wrote:In chucks defense,

everyone called him Jeb...even Lee.... and the fact that he spelled it JEB Stuart(d) implies that he meant abbreviations.
Not to get so far off topic ( like 80 years).. But I'll wager 1/2 oz of my hard to find Gunze fine liquid putty that RE Lee called Gen Stuart a fell very choice names after JEB dropped the ball at Gettysburg

History records that Lee came as close to loosing his temper in public as he ever did when JEB Stuart informed him that, rather than reporting Union activities, he had been taking advantage of a conveniently placed Union shoe factory to give his men new footwear. Lee raised his hand almost as if to strike Stuart, but then calmed himself.

But the overall merits of Stuart is such that he could survive a single show of disastrously misplaced initiative.

by **Walt** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:29 am

kennylibben wrote:In chucks defense,

everyone called him Jeb...even Lee.... and the fact that he spelled it JEB Stuart(d) implies that he meant abbreviations.

Not to get so far off topic ( like 80 years).. But I'll wager 1/2 oz of my hard to find Gunze fine liquid putty that RE Lee called Gen Stuart a fell very choice names after JEB dropped the ball at Gettysburg

by **chuck** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:49 pm

Werner wrote:You realize the novelty is not that she's a bimbo but that she supports Bush instead of some liberal, like the other stupid bimbos.

Indeed, everyone knew the reservoir of foolishness in bimboland was deep, but who could have expected it to reach into such unfathomable abyss as this?

by **kennylibben** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:17 pm

In chucks defense,

everyone called him Jeb...even Lee.... and the fact that he spelled it JEB Stuart(d) implies that he meant abbreviations.

by **Werner** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:53 pm

Chuck wrote:
Werner wrote: Before the war the number of "Federals" was very small ... perhaps 10,000 at the most, mostly officers.
Such as Robert Lee, JEB Stuard, etc, etc.

The point was, the Japanese sub skipper had a personal score to settle with Unoco; his attack on Long Beach was not an implementation of Japanese national policy, per se, but a private operation on the order of Kelly's Heroes.

P.S., it's J.E.B. Stuart., just like J.O.E. Vandeleur

by **Guest** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:49 pm

Werner wrote: Before the war the number of "Federals" was very small ... perhaps 10,000 at the most, mostly officers.

Such as Robert Lee, JEB Stuard, etc, etc

by **Werner** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:21 pm

Chuck wrote: It is not a US Naval Operation. It is a failure of US Naval Operation. To not cover a failure in naval operation betrays a bias in the coverage.

Incidentally, Morrison did cover this incident.

by **Werner** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:13 pm

Chuck wrote: Incidentally Battle of Gettysburg should also be recognized as a employee dispute, since sheer probability strongly argues that many of those who fought under the Confederate colors would have been former Federal employees who were not happy with their treatment.

I seriously doubt many of the 71,000 Confedererate troops were former Federal troops. As you know, the vast number of units on each side were what we would call today the National Guard. They were units which were raised by the states and seconded to their respective governments. Before the war the number of "Federals" was very small ... perhaps 10,000 at the most, mostly officers.

by **Guest** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:28 pm

Werner wrote:The submarine which shelled a Long Beach oil depot should be recognized as an employee dispute, which it was.

The Japanese skipper had been employed there before the war, and was to his mind treated shabbily. When he had an opportunity, he stood into San Pedro Bay and fired a few rounds at the depot.

Strictly speaking, this too was not a US Naval operation.

It is not a US Naval Operation. It is a failure of US Naval Operation. To not cover a failure in naval operation betrays a bias in the coverage.

Incidentally Battle of Gettysburg should also be recognized as a employee dispute, since sheer probability strongly argues that many of those who fought under the Confederate colors would have been former Federal employees who were not happy with their treatment.

by **Werner** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:54 pm

The submarine which shelled a Long Beach oil depot should be recognized as an employee dispute, which it was.

The Japanese skipper had been employed there before the war, and was to his mind treated shabbily. When he had an opportunity, he stood into San Pedro Bay and fired a few rounds at the depot.

Strictly speaking, this too was not a US Naval operation.

by **Tiornu** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:43 pm

The air raid on Oregon was not covered up. It was so obscure, it didn't need any covering up. One set of bombs merely left a scorched mark on the ground, and the other apprently didn't leave even that. The balloon bombs were covered up initially to avoid hysteria until the famous incident in which picnicking children were killed. That prompted a nationwide warning.

by **Lesforan** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:24 pm

Yes, Werner.

The question is why? Would this be covered up merely to avoid a panic, or because its exposure would show a failure to defend US airspace?

Or, most likely in my opinion, it was necessary for political reasons not to stir up hard feelings toward the Japanese at the critical point in history where US-Japanese co-operation was needed to counter Communist inroads in east Asia.

by **Werner** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:50 am

Walt wrote:Somehow I was made aware during my primary school years back in the Ice Age that Japan did attack vessels and bomb trees in the great North West US during the War, But these were all very minor events during a time in history that events like Midway, the battle of the North Atlantic , etc etc, were taking place.. Very similar to the "minor" nature of the UBoot attacks along the Atlantic Coast of the US.
We must all remember that most History as we are taught, was written by the victors.. This is a one of those things that always was and always will be so.. truth, lies, or exagerations... still it's the victor's licence to do so.

The victors in this case hid the fact that the bombing of the trees was in fact a biological weapons attack, the balloons armed with fleas infected with Bubonic Plague. That is why the reservoir of plague in the Northwest has been so hard to eradicate.

by **Walt** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:44 am

Somehow I was made aware during my primary school years back in the Ice Age that Japan did attack vessels and bomb trees in the great North West US during the War, But these were all very minor events during a time in history that events like Midway, the battle of the North Atlantic , etc etc, were taking place.. Very similar to the "minor" nature of the UBoot attacks along the Atlantic Coast of the US.
We must all remember that most History as we are taught, was written by the victors.. This is a one of those things that always was and always will be so.. truth, lies, or exagerations... still it's the victor's licence to do so.

by **HMAS** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:47 pm

Werner wrote:Kenny, surely you must know that your interests have carried you a long distance from the average American, whose primary interest in history only extends batting averages or yards made good in the last season.
That is more nearly the average Joe.

To save rewriting Werners bit.
In future insert UK, Australia etc for American, batting stays the same for cricket, soccer or footy goals for yards, & for Joe insert yobbo or your local equivalent.
Tony

by **kennylibben** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:15 pm

Anonymous wrote:
Italy was allied with central powers all the way up to the moment when she was called upon to honor that alliance. So what your professor said was not entirely false.

yes but he said they fought in WWI as part of the Central Powers.

by **Lesforan** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:14 pm

"HORRYWOOD!"

"Let me hear the sound of your guns, son"!

Great movie. But maybe they should have made one about the Japanese air attack on Oregon.

by **Tiornu** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:51 pm

I see that San Luis Obispo was sufficiently isolated that the G-men didn't bother confiscating their newspapers. Apparently New York City is similarly isolated since the little daily they have there, the New York Times, also escaped confiscation despite reporting the attacks on Montebello and Larry Doheny the day after they happened.

by **Werner** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:04 pm

Chuck wrote:
Werner wrote:
Jessica Simpson was at a White House reception a couple of years ago when she was relatively new as a star, and upon being introduced to the Secretary of the Interior she said, "I like what you've done with the place". That is more nearly the average Joe.

This completely explains why the said bimbo is, in her own words, "A huge fan of President Bush".

You realize the novelty is not that she's a bimbo but that she supports Bush instead of some liberal, like the other stupid bimbos.

by **Guest** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:32 pm

Werner wrote:
Jessica Simpson was at a White House reception a couple of years ago when she was relatively new as a star, and upon being introduced to the Secretary of the Interior she said, "I like what you've done with the place". That is more nearly the average Joe.

This completely explains why the said bimbo is, in her own words, "A huge fan of President Bush".

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