IJN sub attacks off the US coast

[HMAS]

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local ... 55056.html

interesting comment.
Tony

[Werner]

Seems like the faintest excuse for Mr. Krieger to ring his own bell and get in a few knocks on Morrison. Hardly a historical or newsworthy fact, and associated with quite a few incorrect ones.

History of U. S. Naval Operations in World War II is not the "official Navy Department history", nor is the isolated sinking of an unescorted merchant man strictly a "naval operation". Even fifteen volumes is hardly enough space to mention every US merchant loss, or the loss of shipping in US coastal waters.

Anyone who has read the History knows it is not meant to be a chronology or encyclopedia, but a work of analysis which focuses on the impotent events on a world at war.

[HMAS]

Granted Werner
It may be my ego is bigger
I am aware the merchant marine complained about the lack of a blackout along the coast, making the ships better targets.
I was not aware the censorship of "coastal losses" extended into the 60's.
Was this only due to the fact that bugger all bothered to read the offical reviews, & relied on the "readers digest" version of events?
Tony

[kennylibben]

perhaps the inspiration for spielbergs 1941? i love that movie.

[Werner]

Judge for yourself. Americans are singularly apathetic when it comes to history. Look how poor Enterprise went to the knacker's yard after all that noble service and a Congressional pronouncement that she was "the living embodiment of the Navy"....

[kennylibben]

as a majority, probably so... however depending on where you live or do the research can alter that. In my town historical significance is much more important to us.... although perhaps not as much compared to others. For instance, this weekend i read in the newspaper about "The Great Bear Hunt" of 1821 ... it even pinpointed the exact locations that we know of today as what they were in yesteryear. We also have "Heritage Days", "Maple Syrup Days" where we make syrup the old way, "Prairie Peddler" and other events like such. We also restore the brick buildings downtown every few years. Not to mention the local history is rather well known to most, even the history of the school districts going back to the 1800s.

[Werner]

Kenny, surely you must know that your interests have carried you a long distance from the average American, whose primary interest in history only extends batting averages or yards made good in the last season.

Surely you must have heard someone utter a political statement or historical notion representing a gaffe so large that you assumed it to be a jest.

Jessica Simpson was at a White House reception a couple of years ago when she was relatively new as a star, and upon being introduced to the Secretary of the Interior she said, "I like what you've done with the place". That is more nearly the average Joe.

[kennylibben]

Im not going to say names but one of my professors was just quickly skimming over WWI to give a background to those students that don't know much about it and he said that Italy was part of the Central Powers.

I started to raise my hand then i was like, nah.....

[Lesforan]

Kenny,

I would have corrected him. If only for the fact that you and everyone else in that class was paying big bucks to be taught the subject. The first given should be that the professor should know about his subject than his students.

If you don't know it, you can't teach it.

He probably just had a brain fart. But he needed to be corrected.

[Timmy C]

Well, it is/was partly true:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_Alliance_(1882)

[bengtsson]

History of U. S. Naval Operations in World War II is not the "official Navy Department history", nor is the isolated sinking of an unescorted merchant man strictly a "naval operation". Even fifteen volumes is hardly enough space to mention every US merchant loss, or the loss of shipping in US coastal waters

I'm curious Werner, how does the long running massacre of Allied shipping on the East Coast in the first half of 1942 get covered by the Morrison books? I haven't read them myself.
In any case, is it harder for Americans to accept a Japanese sub attacking merchant ships right on our coasts than it is to accept hundreds of sinkings by Germans?

Bob B.

[Guest]

Im not going to say names but one of my professors was just quickly skimming over WWI to give a background to those students that don't know much about it and he said that Italy was part of the Central Powers.

I started to raise my hand then i was like, nah.....

Italy was allied with central powers all the way up to the moment when she was called upon to honor that alliance. So what your professor said was not entirely false.

[Guest]

Jessica Simpson was at a White House reception a couple of years ago when she was relatively new as a star, and upon being introduced to the Secretary of the Interior she said, "I like what you've done with the place". That is more nearly the average Joe.

This completely explains why the said bimbo is, in her own words, "A huge fan of President Bush".

[Werner]

Jessica Simpson was at a White House reception a couple of years ago when she was relatively new as a star, and upon being introduced to the Secretary of the Interior she said, "I like what you've done with the place". That is more nearly the average Joe.

This completely explains why the said bimbo is, in her own words, "A huge fan of President Bush".

You realize the novelty is not that she's a bimbo but that she supports Bush instead of some liberal, like the other stupid bimbos.

[Tiornu]

I see that San Luis Obispo was sufficiently isolated that the G-men didn't bother confiscating their newspapers. Apparently New York City is similarly isolated since the little daily they have there, the New York Times, also escaped confiscation despite reporting the attacks on Montebello and Larry Doheny the day after they happened.

[Lesforan]

"HORRYWOOD!"

"Let me hear the sound of your guns, son"!

Great movie. But maybe they should have made one about the Japanese air attack on Oregon.

[kennylibben]

Italy was allied with central powers all the way up to the moment when she was called upon to honor that alliance. So what your professor said was not entirely false.

yes but he said they fought in WWI as part of the Central Powers.

[HMAS]

Kenny, surely you must know that your interests have carried you a long distance from the average American, whose primary interest in history only extends batting averages or yards made good in the last season.
That is more nearly the average Joe.

To save rewriting Werners bit.
In future insert UK, Australia etc for American, batting stays the same for cricket, soccer or footy goals for yards, & for Joe insert yobbo or your local equivalent.
Tony

[Walt]

Somehow I was made aware during my primary school years back in the Ice Age that Japan did attack vessels and bomb trees in the great North West US during the War, But these were all very minor events during a time in history that events like Midway, the battle of the North Atlantic , etc etc, were taking place.. Very similar to the "minor" nature of the UBoot attacks along the Atlantic Coast of the US.
We must all remember that most History as we are taught, was written by the victors.. This is a one of those things that always was and always will be so.. truth, lies, or exagerations... still it's the victor's licence to do so.

[Werner]

Somehow I was made aware during my primary school years back in the Ice Age that Japan did attack vessels and bomb trees in the great North West US during the War, But these were all very minor events during a time in history that events like Midway, the battle of the North Atlantic , etc etc, were taking place.. Very similar to the "minor" nature of the UBoot attacks along the Atlantic Coast of the US.
We must all remember that most History as we are taught, was written by the victors.. This is a one of those things that always was and always will be so.. truth, lies, or exagerations... still it's the victor's licence to do so.

The victors in this case hid the fact that the bombing of the trees was in fact a biological weapons attack, the balloons armed with fleas infected with Bubonic Plague. That is why the reservoir of plague in the Northwest has been so hard to eradicate.