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by **Avery Boyer** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:57 am

Jimmy Conway wrote:Just a thought: imagine that the passion for ships to prevent send them all to the scrapyards. I believe that most of them must be dismantled, unfortunately, and there's no way to escape it.

I see now issue with scrapping Connie. With JFK destined for Miami unless she sinks under tow, Sara almost certainly in Rhode Island, Ranger looking good in Oregon and Midway doing very well in San Diego, there is almost no place for her. I am more concerned about having a reserve fleet, an asset that has proved useful in the past.

by **Seasick** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:36 pm

Scrap metal prices are going through the roof still. Scrap yards are profitable again. The USN also removes certain materials before delivering them to be scrapped.

by **Jimmy Conway** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:01 pm

Just a thought: imagine that the passion for ships to prevent send them all to the scrapyards. I believe that most of them must be dismantled, unfortunately, and there's no way to escape it.

by **Seasick** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:52 pm

I got a parking ticket when I was in St. Paul Minnisota.

by **chuck** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:13 pm

richter111 wrote:Chuck, just where do you live anyways, I am woefully ignorant of geography!

I am in Superior Wisconsin

RIc

I live within 6 miles of where Arnold Schwarzenegger is said to "work". I went to School in Madison, so things happening in Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota still draws me attention.

by **Mark Petersen** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:11 pm

Werner wrote:Chuck, you miss the point: it's in Chicago, possibly the most corrupt city on Earth known for it's corrupt civic programs. I'd rather cross a bridge in Seoul.

This is the city that had to shut down when the river sprung a leak; remember?

Ahh, Chicago. The city where rivers flood down and bridges fall up. Werner knows what I mean

by **richter111** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:03 pm

Chuck, just where do you live anyways, I am woefully ignorant of geography!

I am in Superior Wisconsin

RIc

by **Werner** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:44 pm

chuck wrote: This is all the more amazing since the problem they face is one that a C students half way through the first Engineering Statics class should be prepared to solve using nothing more than pencil and paper. But I doubt anyone will be fired.

I'm glad we don't do anything that practical here. When I'm wrong a dead animal gets a backache.

by **chuck** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:24 pm

Doubt the overhual of the bridge would have fixed the specific problem. The problem wasn't really identified to be potentially critical until after the I-35 bridge went down. One gets the impression the engineers who inspected the Bridge decided the only way to tell whether the substandard gusset plate would be critical was to wait and see if the bridge falls. It fell, so they intoned with authority: "It was critical". This is all the more amazing since the problem they face is one that a C students half way through the first Engineering Statics class should be prepared to solve using nothing more than pencil and paper. But I doubt anyone will be fired.

by **Werner** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:11 pm

I thought overhaul of that particular bridge was postponed to pay for a new sports stadium. Am I wrong?

by **chuck** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:02 pm

Werner wrote:Chuck, you miss the point: it's in Chicago, possibly the most corrupt city on Earth known for it's corrupt civic programs. I'd rather cross a bridge in Seoul.

Ahhh, but would you rather cross a bridge in Minnesota? Some of those bridges are considerably younger than the Kitty Hawk, I hear.

by **Werner** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:59 pm

Chuck, you miss the point: it's in Chicago, possibly the most corrupt city on Earth known for it's corrupt civic programs. I'd rather cross a bridge in Seoul.

This is the city that had to shut down when the river sprung a leak; remember?

by **chuck** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:10 pm

Werner wrote:
Far worse! It was built in Chicago, is two levels tall, and accommodates rail and road traffic at the same time as being movable to allow river traffic over a large navigable waterway.

Hardly. Truss bridges are built with much higher safety factors than ships, and are often specifically designed to last 100 years or more. Ships would hardly float in water, let alone economically, if they were to have similar safety factors.

by **chuck** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:04 pm

Let me recommend to you a beautiful foot path south of San Diego. Don't worry about the "Achtung Minen!" signs, they are only for Mexicans.

by **MartinJQuinn** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:30 pm

chuck wrote:Are we trying to one up the Maginot line?

Hopefully they'll be more land mines on the Mexican border

by **chuck** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:23 pm

Are we trying to one up the Maginot line?

by **Werner** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:13 pm

chuck wrote: Where ever increased American steel production is going, it's not likely going to China.

The wall with Mexico?

by **chuck** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:43 pm

Seasick wrote: --------------------------

Back to the topic

Since the Coral Sea was scrapped the price of scrap steel has gone way up. All the copper wire out of the ship should fetch a good price on its own. China is buying up all the scrap metal in sight. Steel mills in the USA that were going out of business 10 years ago are filling orders from Chinese customers becuse the supply is so tight.

Not saying that's not true, but it is surprising considering China imported only 1/10 as much steel as did the US in 2007. According to ISSB, China was largely self sufficient in steel production, producing 490 million tons of steel while importing only 5 million tons. The US produced only 97 million tons of steel while importing 45 million tons.

Where ever increased American steel production is going, it's not likely going to China.

by **Werner** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:05 pm

Seasick wrote:[
Back to the topic

Since the Coral Sea was scrapped the price of scrap steel has gone way up. All the copper wire out of the ship should fetch a good price on its own. China is buying up all the scrap metal in sight. Steel mills in the USA that were going out of business 10 years ago are filling orders from Chinese customers becuse the supply is so tight.

Which makes me wonder. the SCB 110.66 modification to Midway went way over budget, partially due to unexpected deterioration in the electrical system. I wonder how these others have fared.

by **Werner** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:59 pm

Seasick wrote:Sorry Werner that bridge has life easy compared to the hull of a warship. Ocean water is brutal to metals of all sorts. Lake Michigan, the Chicago air, and the river don't place nearly the strain on that bridge that steel in a ship hull would encounter. That bridge looks like it is small enough that it can be inspected in a few days and kept reasonably well painted.

I guess you've probably never been to Chicago and enjoyed the street salt, the glory hole which is The Chicago River, or our fabulous air pollution (which used to be far worse).

In 20 years of standing outside, the casing and part of the hull of U-505 dissolved. It had to be rebuilt following her move underground.

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