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I hope you can help. I am planning a build of the 1/350 scale Greek Armored Cruiser, Georgios Averof. I was searching for ideas on cage aerials and happened upon your post. I am quite impressed with you work thus far, and your aerials look great. Could you tell me what size rings you chose for your aerials? Are they a type of fishing ring?
As I have to create 6 individual aerials that will be connected to one another, before attaching them to spreaders and then between 2 masts, any advice you can provide me would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Cheers Andy :thumbs_up_1:
Will have to have a look at that

Roy

Very nice cage aerials... I made some in 700 scale for my Tiger a couple of years ago... The problem with the things collapsing when released from the jig was one I well know! :big_grin:

You Can get them back though... but it causes a much more severe problem... you have to pull them back to more or less the same tension as when they were in the jig... and as I used monofil they were under enough tension to stretch, but in order to stretch them back to the original shape you put so much stress on the yards they bend... Not nice.

Here is a picture or two to illustrate the problem..

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Under construction

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One set fitted...

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When I added the second line the top yard bent to almost 30 degrees off horizontal... do disaster! Someday I will rebuild the whole rigging! :big_grin:

See what I mean... :big_grin:

woah replies! :woo_hoo:

Ryan: im afraid my first attempt to mount them ended in the usual disaster, the problem is i have to keep the wires under tension during construction, so when i remove them to add them to the ship they loose tension and end up looking pretty rubbish :/ anyway currently re-working them so will try something new and see what we come up with :)

roy: i use flat acrylic varnish to fix the rings to the fishing wire, it doesn't eat the plastic wire like plastic glues or CA would and dries completely invisible, hope that helps :)

Hi Andy :wave_1:
question, what type of adesive have you used to attach the disc's to the fishing line, the reason i ask is i have to find a medium to fabricate the star arieal cage array for Dreadnought. I know how i'm going to replicate the star's but what is the best medium for the wire's i have still to decide, some glues as you know hate certain types of material so i'm trying to work out the best solution in advance as i would hate to stall the project at the last hurdle.


Roy

Woah! Nice job on those cage antennae, they look awesome! I am curious as to how you end up getting them on the model as well, looking forward to the update!

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Working on the cage antenna rigging, basically fishing line + Micro Rig Ring Rounds, still trying to figure out the best way to transfer this over to the Ship heh

well [i] literally[/i] dusted off the Hood to get back to it :P

had to secure the ship to the base, but annoyingly the keel had bowed somewhat making it kinda hard to glue down, especially with the extremely delicate awning over the quarterdeck

i used a couple of wood screws under 'A' and 'X' Turret which seemed to do the trick, but then the fwd hull seperated from the keel plate :Mad_6:

so had to find a way to re-glue the hull down without crushing the railings and other deck furniture
for the prosecution, exhibit 'A'
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so anyway once that had dried i added some Acrylic gel medium over the sea base to give it some shine, and better seal the ship to the base, it will dry complely clear so it wont have the white you can see in these pics once dry

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so hopefully if that all dries ok ill glue the pier down, (im still unsure about how/if i should paint/weather that tho, open to suggestions

feels good to be back working on my first love :P ;)

anyway till next time

hi andy!
for the stain i'd go with a wash (oil or enamel) of raw sienna and black, heavily thinned...but it depends mainly from the wood the "real thing" was made of.t
then i'll add some light gray wash to higlight salt concrection and sunlight effect..my 2 cents, i'm not used to work with wood, i'm sure that someone here can give you better hints than mine!

for the sea a used mr. Jim Baumann technique of using artist watercolor paper, airbrushed with lifecolor acryls and then covered with several layers of lifecolor gloss clear.
actually those are not layers, but i splothced not-thinned clear paint in huge blobs textured punching with an old soft brush...

(and for your idea of doing the ships on their slips during construcion...well, that's inspiring :D:D)

cheers

thanks for the reply stefano, what kinda stain would you suggest? do you have any pictures of techniques you could share?
also, how did you do the water in your Breakers yard Diorama?

cheers

you pier is, actually, a truly piece of art and patience, very stunning.

i'd go for a quite heavy stain however, becouse of the sea water, all of the dust typical of a pier, traces of the vehicles and cargos, eventually some coal fired steamer moored at the pier...so a quite dark stain in my opinion will go, with a careful weathering with chalks and pastels (even with white chalk, simulating some salt traces on the wood...)

just my 2 cents, as it is the pier is however fantastic!

thanks guys

do you think i should paint/stain the pier? or leave it as is?

Keep up the good work Andy.The Mighty `ood looks marvellous!!

Cheers ,Phil

[quote="AndyP"]anyway still pressing onwards.[/quote]

And very nicely, I'd say!

This month ive mostly been working on the Pier, which ive built from matchsticks,

actually been kinda cathartic if im honest lol, pretty happy with how it looks at the moment, but im unsure about how or even if i should paint it?
once i glue it to the base im hoping when i do the resin or acrylic gel pour (havent decided on my water method yet, open to suggestions) it will sit around the base of the legs and hide a few gaps where my sanding/cutting was a little enthusiastic hehe.
also need to build half of the Terminal building to sit on the pier, and possibly cut train tracks, i havent decided if im gonna bother with that as yet

anyway still pressing onwards.

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Wow, been a while....anyhoo

SHE LIVES!!!!

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Awnings are done (FINALLY!) and started painting the base, (looks a lot darker in the photos than in real life, ill be pouring clear resin with blue dye) Im rigging Hood at the mo, using very fine fishing wire and gonna start scratch building Station Pier (which i actually got to visit in March when i got to visit the USS Shoup (DDG 82)

Thanks guys, yeh Timmy his site was a real god-send, and when i start on Repulse im sure ill be ordering up a few more bits and bobs (really quite cheap too :D)

Gah, i hate this part of the build, its all the really little fiddly things which seem to take forever and ya never really notice them till they're all done

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anyhoo had a real nightmare with the railings, i lay down the sprus to paint them, but when i went to lift them up they they wouldnt budge, paint had gotten under the spru and dried so when i tried to moe them the railings bent and tore :doh_1:

however i had a set with Repulse which i poached snce when i get the Repulse PE im sure they will come with railing s anyway
So HOOD is now in the final fitting out, ive fitted most of the railings, the 4inch HA guns are in place (tho they seem a little oversized to be they'll do) the flying off platform is nearly finished, just need a few tweeks to that and likewise all the search lights are fitted

basicly tomorrow my jobs are to finish fitting the railings and awnings and then tackle the Rigging and she'll be done then the delights of building the scene and the joy of joys of resin water :eek:

anyhoo, ONWARDS! :shipcaptain:

Thanks for the tidbit about Haynes' 350th RN parts! I never knew they made stuff for this scale.

She's looking great, too!

Nicely done!

Hola Dudes

(sound of crickets and tumbleweed blows by)

ooookay....

anyhoo need to shift this project up pa gear since i got the awesome Trumpeter 1/350 Repulse and Tamiya 1/350 KGV (really eager to get going on Repulse which im gonna have alongside Hood, you can just see her Alongside on that picture up there)

so heres a bit of an update
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Big Kudos to Phill Reeder for putting me onto John Haynes fine model (http://www.johnrhaynes.com/), i got the 1/350 Steam Pinnace's and 4Inch HA Guns (ordered them on the 23rd, they arrived next morning! so deffo worth a look if ya need any fittings)
So Boats are pretty much done, just need some finishing up, ive extended the mainmast to match Hood's original fit, although not in the pics ive also added the 5inch range finders at the base of the search light platform.

so next i think we're onto railings and Awnings (eek)