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by **pocketpencil** » Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:11 pm

I am down there a lot. The water is Definitely green in broad daylight. I would personally say most of those photos do not correctly convey the color to an observer on the deck of a ship there.

The 1985 photo is pretty close for early morning. The water tends to very green in the bay due to pollution and nice cold California water.

As i said, i will attempt to get some better photos soon fro a higher angle in a mid-day lighting.

by **Russ2146** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:45 pm

The appearance of water color to the eye depends uponthe light on it, as well as various physical characteristics. Thus, on a cloudy day, it might appear to be green but on a sunny day somethig else. Attached are various photos that I found of the waters in and around the pier area of NAS Alameda over a period of time.

Obviously, there is also a change in perceived color as the angle of the eye/camara to the plane of the water changes.

Russ

by **pocketpencil** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:49 pm

Here are a couple of shots with admittedly poor lighting. its all i have at work, so i will try and find some better ones later. or else i will take some better ones soon.

by **pocketpencil** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:01 pm

EnterpriseCBG wrote:
pocketpencil wrote:Just a comment about the water color. I spend a lot of time at that pier currently and the water there is MUCH greener. I can provide some photos if you need them. Unless of course your going to paint it later in your build.

Otherwise, looks superb!

Yes.. I am going to be using acrylic jel mixed in with field green.... the blue is just a base.. but if you can send pics Id like to reference. Thanks in advance.

On the 1945 picture I think you can see that the mast has a forward upside down triangle shape older mast ....while the new mast was more boxed. If anyone can confirm...

I will dig some out

by **EnterpriseCBG** » Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:25 pm

pocketpencil wrote:Just a comment about the water color. I spend a lot of time at that pier currently and the water there is MUCH greener. I can provide some photos if you need them. Unless of course your going to paint it later in your build.

Otherwise, looks superb!

Yes.. I am going to be using acrylic jel mixed in with field green.... the blue is just a base..

but if you can send pics Id like to reference. Thanks in advance.

On the 1945 picture I think you can see that the mast has a forward upside down triangle shape older mast ....while the new mast was more boxed. If anyone can confirm...

by **pocketpencil** » Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:38 pm

Just a comment about the water color. I spend a lot of time at that pier currently and the water there is MUCH greener. I can provide some photos if you need them. Unless of course your going to paint it later in your build.

Otherwise, looks superb!

by **Cliffy B** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:04 pm

The whole Independence class had those "late war" masts installed during 1944-45 refits. San Jac may of missed out due to refit scheduling. I'll get back to you on it. See if you can spot it in any photos. A dead give away of the "late war" mast is a second higher yardarm above the lower one as well the radar arrangement. Early masts had an SK-2 air search set on them while the Late masts had an SM Height Finder instead.

From what I can tell looking at the photo, San Jac never got the "late war" mast. But that's me. Anyone have any shots of her in 1945?

The sheet has a mast or two for the Bogues but they are separate on the sheet. The two classes of ships were very different.

by **Sr. Gopher** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:43 pm

That could be for the Tamiya Bogue escort carrier.

by **EnterpriseCBG** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:14 pm

Fellow Modellers... I just discovered something...

On the USS San Jacinto...I had just put in the late maste from Goldmedal Models.. however looking at the photographs... was the light carrier ever fitted with the late mast? right now I'm not happy with the island and am looking at rebuilding it. Before I proceed I'd like someone to chime in if they know about the mast.

Cheers

by **EnterpriseCBG** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:42 pm

I'll be working mainly on photo etch and detailing the carriers .. I had to take a break and deal with work and planning my next round of things to do.

I will be switching to sci-fi in the next round... Executor class super destroyer..

and going to start on an RC - lifesize R2-D2...

fun fun

by **Sr. Gopher** » Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:11 pm

Any updates?

by **EnterpriseCBG** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:28 am

MartinJQuinn wrote:The dio is shaping up nice...but you gotta cut Sara's stack down!

Martin thanks for reminding me about that ... when I first started the project I got the Trumpeteer Saratoga and decided there was too much to modify so I got the Fujimi. I went ahead and compared and noticed that the Fujimi kit stack was slightly smaller... now that you had me look at it again I went to the squadron signal detail US Aircraft Carriers in action part 1 and saw bigger differences so today I will be cutting down that stack.

by **johndon** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:49 am

EnterpriseCBG wrote:What are you going to build????

Hornet as the B25's are being loaded aboard.

John

by **MartinJQuinn** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:23 pm

The dio is shaping up nice...but you gotta cut Sara's stack down!

by **EnterpriseCBG** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:02 pm

johndon wrote:Thanks for that link, shows exactly what I was looking for

John

What are you going to build????

by **johndon** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:54 pm

Thanks for that link, shows exactly what I was looking for

John

by **EnterpriseCBG** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:28 pm

johndon wrote:Nice work, my next dio will have one of the Alameda piers showing (albeit in 1/350th).

As a result, I'm desperately trying to find out if the piers were of solid construction or had a framework under the surface that allowed the water to run underneath. I notice that you've modelled your's solid - do you know if this was definately the case?

John

I modelled it solid because it was the easiest and simpler way for me to construct and I believe that the real piers were constructed with the water going through. The best way you can tell this is going to the site .. www.local.live.com - its almost like google earth. Go to Alameda Naval Station and then go to the icon choice of either aerial view or eagle eye view... eagle eye view shows the naval station as well as any place on earth at an angle. This will show you the details of the actual piers.

by **johndon** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:10 am

Nice work, my next dio will have one of the Alameda piers showing (albeit in 1/350th).

As a result, I'm desperately trying to find out if the piers were of solid construction or had a framework under the surface that allowed the water to run underneath. I notice that you've modelled your's solid - do you know if this was definately the case?

John

by **Sr. Gopher** » Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:27 pm

Thank God! I spent a good 8 hours of my time trying to figure out a simpler way to do pier poles, but could not think of anything other than Evergreen or Plastistruct. Thanks a lot!

by **EnterpriseCBG** » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:53 pm

I will share my secret... because I would hate for someone to go through the same ordeal then all the sudden realize theres a simple easier way...

I started out using pieces of evergreen styrene poles.. then didnt have enough and started using stretched sprew... then a thought crossed my mine. railroad N scale had these picket fences and with a little modification and a 4 pack of fences... wala! what would of took me a week to do... took me one night...

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