Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions (COMPLETED)

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Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions (COMPLETED)

by tea monster » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:30 am

Yeah, that would probably cause the rest of my hair to fall out.

Owen

Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions (COMPLETED)

by DrPR » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:43 am

If you have nothing better to do, tie a knot with multistrand cord, say a rope made of three strands of three strand cord. Helical helices wrapped around each other! It hurts my brain to think about it!

Phil

Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions (COMPLETED)

by tea monster » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:22 pm

Things like knots and crew figures would take some time to re-create in 3D. I'd be tempted to do the 'Illustrator trace-over' method and then composite my regular renderings and 2D drawings together in my DTP app.

Having said that, Blender is pretty handy at running things along paths. Due to it's "free-form" nature its relatively easy to extrude a path and bend it as you are extruding to get things like knots.

Owen

Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions (COMPLETED)

by Rusty White » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:12 pm

DrPR wrote:Rusty,

They are beautiful instructions! I'm sure the kit builders will really appreciate all of the time you put into them.

I know what you mean about drawing rigging. Rigging blocks and tying knots with 3D CAD can be very frustrating! Can you imaging drawing a square-rigger in 3D CAD?

I sometimes use the "Extrude along a curve" function to create pretty good looking ropes and wires, but I build up block and tackle one section at a time.

Phil
I can't imagine actually drawing a technically correct "knot" in 3D. That would be a great exercise for CAD students. If they can draw that, they pass! To be honest, I fake my way through the knots since they are so small on the finished drawing. Any gaffs in the 3D drawing can be patched up in 2D. When it comes to rigging, I live and die by the "extrude along a curve" command. :-)

Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions (COMPLETED)

by DrPR » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:46 am

Rusty,

They are beautiful instructions! I'm sure the kit builders will really appreciate all of the time you put into them.

I know what you mean about drawing rigging. Rigging blocks and tying knots with 3D CAD can be very frustrating! Can you imaging drawing a square-rigger in 3D CAD?

I sometimes use the "Extrude along a curve" function to create pretty good looking ropes and wires, but I build up block and tackle one section at a time.

Phil

Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions (COMPLETED)

by Rusty White » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:39 am

Here's the finished instruction sheets after all modifications have been made. As usual, I noticed several gaffs in the assembly as I went along. Notice I add crystal clear parts drawing to enable the modeler to quickly inventory the kit for any missing parts. The instructions took 142 hours to complete. There's no doubt in my mind that modelers who build this kit will consider it time well spent, especially in the rigging steps. As mentioned, it took some time to draw so that all the points will be clear. In addition, with such a complicated firing mechanism, the modeler will really appreciate the 3D drawings that show clearly how to assemble the Blakely Rifle "Alabama Gun".

I'll now move on to making the molds and casting parts for this very soon to be released kit.

Comments and suggestions are always welcome.

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Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions

by Rusty White » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:12 pm

The final drawing for the instructions is the included figure. Using cad to freehand draw is a pain in the rump, so I developed a technique that is tried and true. It's perfect for designing parts to match specific areas of a model like bow rails. I just scan the parts and trace over the scan for a perfect fit. This was done in steps 10 and 11 to get a perfect reproduction of the base plate. In this case it was a little different in that I need to draw a reproduction of a 3D figure. This is just a variation of the same technique. I photographed the figure to get a good, clear shot because scanning a 3D object results in blurry areas.

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The resulting drawing was made by tracing over the scan. I drew the hands myself.

Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions

by Rusty White » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:06 pm

The drawings here took over 30 hours to complete. Drawing the rigging was very frustrating and tedious.

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Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions

by Guest » Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:29 pm

Here's the base instructions. Much less time consuming that the other drawings so far.

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Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions

by Rusty White » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:26 pm

This is the latest installment for page two. The instructions have been undergoing modifications as the in-computer assembly of the kit progresses.

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Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions

by DrPR » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:27 pm

Owen,

Thanks!

I'll play with netfabb to see if it can repair my leaky STLs. It just won't do to have leaks in boat hulls!

Phil

Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions

by Rusty White » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:43 pm

Completed front page.

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Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions

by Rusty White » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:09 pm

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Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions

by tea monster » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:15 am

There is always the free 'Meshlab' which might be worth a look. Shapeways has a page on using it to convert and prep meshes.

http://www.shapeways.com/tutorials/how_ ... nd_netfabb

Owen

Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions

by Rusty White » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:41 am

DrPR wrote:Rusty,

The license I have for AccuTrans is perpetual. I have been using it for several years. I haven't upgraded in a while so I don't know about costs there.

The leak patch programs are another thing. All I have seen are associated with the 3D printer software, and they are very expensive. I don't recall any names now. I found them a few years ago on sites that discuss STL and 3D printing.

Maybe there are cheaper programs now.

Phil
According to the web site, the upgrades are free.

I know a guy with a stereo lithography printer. However, I need to get better using DC3Dv-20 in 3D mode before I attempt a full blown kit. I'll make some small stuff first to get the process down and I may ask for some advice.

Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions

by DrPR » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:16 am

Rusty,

The license I have for AccuTrans is perpetual. I have been using it for several years. I haven't upgraded in a while so I don't know about costs there.

The leak patch programs are another thing. All I have seen are associated with the 3D printer software, and they are very expensive. I don't recall any names now. I found them a few years ago on sites that discuss STL and 3D printing.

Maybe there are cheaper programs now.

Phil

Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions

by Rusty White » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:29 pm

DrPR wrote:Rusty,

As of now DesignCAD doesn't export STLs. However, it can be done. I have an inexpensive ($20) program called AccuTrans that is only slightly short of amazing. It will import a R12 DXF file and perform magic to turn it into many different file formats, including STL. The resulting STLs are beautiful! AccuTrans will allow you to select single layers or combinations of layers to export in a STL file. It also translates the other file types into DXF for import into DesignCAD.

I don't know why it only accepts the fairly old R12 DXF format, and not something newer, or DWGs, but it does an excellent job of translating the DXF file. I have prepared STLs for another company and they have used them to make parts for preparing molds.

This is not a pain free process. You must be very careful to have no "leaks" in solids (gaps between surfaces). Many 3D printer drivers will reject a file if surfaces are not joined perfectly. With DesignCAD if you build up solids surface by surface* you must ensure adjoining grids have exactly the same number of facets per side, and common grid points. This takes a bit of practice.

If you create complex solids by subtracting "tool" solids from a "work" piece you will always have a leak-free part.

* For those not familiar with DesignCAD it was originally created by a mechanical engineer who played rather loose with the rules. You can construct solids surface by surface, and then combine the bunch into a single solid. Sometimes this is a lot easier than trying to slice away bits and pieces from an existing solid. You can explode solids, fiddle with the pieces, and then put them back together again. You can mix 1D, 2D and 3D objects to create just about anything you can imagine, including all sorts of impossible objects like solids with missing sides, etc. (Escher and Dali would have loved it!). These things will play havoc with NC machines and stereolith printers.


Phil
Phil,

I checked out the Micromouse web site and I have a couple of questions. It seems by reading the text that when one purchases a "license", it is only for one year. If I purchase/download the program for an individual, is it permanent? Also, you mention programs that that correct any "leaks" in the 3D drawings. Do you have any names and prices for those programs?

You can't beat $20.00 for a program that does all that. If you prefer, contact me off board.

Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions

by DrPR » Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:21 am

Rusty,

As of now DesignCAD doesn't export STLs. However, it can be done. I have an inexpensive ($20) program called AccuTrans that is only slightly short of amazing. It will import a R12 DXF file and perform magic to turn it into many different file formats, including STL. The resulting STLs are beautiful! AccuTrans will allow you to select single layers or combinations of layers to export in a STL file. It also translates the other file types into DXF for import into DesignCAD.

I don't know why it only accepts the fairly old R12 DXF format, and not something newer, or DWGs, but it does an excellent job of translating the DXF file. I have prepared STLs for another company and they have used them to make parts for preparing molds.

This is not a pain free process. You must be very careful to have no "leaks" in solids (gaps between surfaces). Many 3D printer drivers will reject a file if surfaces are not joined perfectly. With DesignCAD if you build up solids surface by surface* you must ensure adjoining grids have exactly the same number of facets per side, and common grid points. This takes a bit of practice.

If you create complex solids by subtracting "tool" solids from a "work" piece you will always have a leak-free part.

* For those not familiar with DesignCAD it was originally created by a mechanical engineer who played rather loose with the rules. You can construct solids surface by surface, and then combine the bunch into a single solid. Sometimes this is a lot easier than trying to slice away bits and pieces from an existing solid. You can explode solids, fiddle with the pieces, and then put them back together again. You can mix 1D, 2D and 3D objects to create just about anything you can imagine, including all sorts of impossible objects like solids with missing sides, etc. (Escher and Dali would have loved it!). These things will play havoc with NC machines and stereolith printers.

Here is an AccuTrans image of a motor whaleboat hull STL generated from a DesignCAD DXF file.
MWB STL.jpg
I should add this this one was a major pain. It was my first attempt at generating a STL, and it leaked like a sieve. Fortunately there are STL cleanup programs that will patch all the leaks.

This is a Mk37 director STL image.
Mk37 STL.jpg
Phil

Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions

by Rusty White » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:30 pm

Fritz wrote:Rusty

I'm not too familiar with Design Cad. However if you check your file export menu, and you have the ability to export a *.stl file, then you have the technology to do so. The .stl file is a polygonal shell format that is standard for most forms of CNC and SLA. There are several 3d print companies that have websites, do small order projects, and have online quoting using the .stl file. Maybe a more expensive, but definitely less time consuming, method for master patterns. Especially where you are making 3D files for the instructions anyhow. It may be worth it to use that work to cut down on the master pattern making as well.
I checked the export file menu and .stl is not there, so my questions stands for Phil. He's an expert on DC, so if there is a way, he would know. I can import/export AutoCad files.

Re: Drawing Blakely Rifle Instructions

by Fritz » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:57 pm

Rusty

I'm not too familiar with Design Cad. However if you check your file export menu, and you have the ability to export a *.stl file, then you have the technology to do so. The .stl file is a polygonal shell format that is standard for most forms of CNC and SLA. There are several 3d print companies that have websites, do small order projects, and have online quoting using the .stl file. Maybe a more expensive, but definitely less time consuming, method for master patterns. Especially where you are making 3D files for the instructions anyhow. It may be worth it to use that work to cut down on the master pattern making as well.

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