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by **Shipbuilder** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:52 am

Thanks, I knew the Pass of Brander became Bengairn, and was sunk when almost home. I read the book Bye the Wind by Captain J Murray-Lindsay who was apprentice onboard at the time. I have also read Learmont's notes, and have a copy of his hull plan of Bengairn. I looked up the image of your father - good clear picture!
I was prompted to build it after reading the book, and recalling that I had the hull plan.
Bob

by **gluefish@gmail.com** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:11 am

The Pass of Brander was renamed to the SV Bengairn when it changed hands in 1890. My father was 15 when he signed onto the Bengairn at Tacoma as a cabin boy; if you search "Bengairn" you will find a picture of the crew on the deck, where my father was seated cross-legged in front of the rest of the crew. They sailed with a load of wheat from the Far East, down the west coast of the Americas, around the horn West to East, and back up to about 150 nm SSW of the Fastnet, where she was sunk by a U-Boat.
My father wrote his memories before he died in 1986, where he refuted some of the statements that James Learmont had written.

by **Shipbuilder** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:10 am

Sorry for late reply. I seldom seem to get e-mails when replies are posted. Only just seen it. As far as I know, James Learmont only wrote Master in Sail. But a few other sailing ship mates and masters wrote books, such as Log of Limejuicer (James P Barker), Cape Horn Breed and All Hands Aloft (W H S Jones), Kicking Canvas (Bestic), The Brassbounder (David Bone) and a number of others. Search for them on http://www.bookfinder.com
Bob

by **Trustytone** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:39 am

Hi Bob
Can you point me at any further articles/books written by Captain James S Learmont. Have re-read his great book Master in Sail and trying to get further writings by this great sailing ship captain. Best regards Tony

by **JIM BAUMANN** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:03 pm

I echo the comments of the chaps-- staggering productivity !!

Looking good and sharp-- fine looking vessel--and from your own drawings too!

Congratulations

Jim B

by **Neptune** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:31 am

That sure went fast!!!

Excellent build (again). Don't want to see the liners though, cargo ships from the '50s and '60s are always welcome though!

by **Pieter** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:16 am

Looks very nice ... and way beyond my skills as well as speed. I do hope we're going to see some classic '50s and '60s liners again.

by **moomoon** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:29 pm

She's beautiful

Thanks again for sharing you techniques, hope to see more soon

Sure makes me want to try one! - well..., when I finish the dozen scratch I have in progress

by **Shipbuilder** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:18 am

Completed Sunday, 25th November, 2012.
Bob

by **Shipbuilder** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:53 am

Nearly finished now! I will complete rigging the three lower t'gallant yards later today and fit and rig the upper t'gallants and royals tomorrow morning. The display case is ready and waiting.
Bob

by **Shipbuilder** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:39 pm

I have now fitted and rigged the three lower yards and the three lower topsail yards. But daylight only allowed me to photograph the model when the lower ones were completed. Tomorrow, I hope to fit and rig the upper topsail and lower t'gallant yards, with completion of the whole ship expected on Sunday.
Bob

by **Shipbuilder** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:50 am

The jigger mast is now fully rigged and complete! The standing rigging on the fore and mainmasts is now complete. As soon as I complete the standing rigging on the mizzen mast, I will be ready to start fitting the 18 yards and their furled square sails. The yards have already been made and painted.
Bob

by **Shipbuilder** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:17 am

Jim,
The ratlines are above the base of the frame by the thickness of the threaded rod glued round the edges! When I run the iron along, it is only done lightly, certainly not enough to push the wire down as far as the base. The wire is tinned copper and you can get it much finer than I use and it can be soldered easily enoigh. The biggest problem with finer wire is that when it is cut from the frame, it is much more delicate and the biggest problem is fitting it to the model. But as you are used to very delicate work, you may not have much trouble with it. Also, do not rely on the solder already on the wire, put a bit on the iron as well. If it runs over and fills up a gap between ratlines, no problem - just heat it up with the iron and poke the point of a cocktail stick in to free it again! When soldering, it is important to use liquid flux. I use Baker's Soldering Fluid, that has the consistency of water. Plumbers use it and it is available on Ebay.
The fine wire may be obtained from http://www.wires.co.uk
Bob

by **JIM BAUMANN** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:16 am

Hi Bob

are the shrouds flush with the base of the winding frame-- ie that when you apply the soldering iron the foot-ropes do not deflect the shrouds--or are the shrouds set up so taut that no deflection occurs?

I am thinking of a similar set up for making ratlines for an upcoming transitional sail/steam ship,
however it will be in half the scale at 1/700-- so the material thickness will be half or less-- will it still work in copper

or should I use stainless steel or tungsten wire and use glue?

thoughts and advice appreciated!

Jim Baumann

by **Shipbuilder** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:49 pm

I use tinned copper wire 38 swg. It is not glued, but soldered. I wind the ratlines on a frame obtaining correct spacing via threaded rod glued along the sides. The shrouds are also tinned copper wire a bit thicker, soldered on. Really not all that difficult. If you have the patience to put ships in bottles, you should be able to build ones like mine. But most modellers set themselves at a disadvantage by stating "I could never do that!"
Bob

by **moomoon** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:44 am

Inspiring!... well, not so much because I'll never be able to make it

I'd like to see how you assemble your ratlines... You are using copper wire (from electric cable?), how and with what are you gluing it?

by **Shipbuilder** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:46 am

The rigging on the jigger mast is now complete. Shrouds & ratlines have been fitted to fore, main & mizzen masts, whilst eight furled fore and aft sails have been fitted and rigged.
Bob

by **Pieter** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:24 am

For my Straat Cumberland I'm using plans from 'Schip en Werf" (now Schip en Werf de Zee) which can be found in dutch and belgian technical libraries such as the Rotterdam Maritime Museum library. De Blauwe Wimpel is another dutch language magazine which sometimes contains drawings. I've also found collections (binders) of these magazines in second hand or antiquarian bookshops. Many non-specalist second hand bookshops like De Slegte have a small maritime section which can be worth looking for. Another source for drawings is paper kits off course. For some reason the cardboard crowd is not afraid of merchants and a paper kit can be a good starting point for a scratchbuild project. Look for Scaldis, JSC, Papershipwright and MDK if you're interested in modern merchant ships. My own interest in the last generation of the traditional liners comes from seeing these ships passing by on the Westerschelde during their last years in the '70s and '80s. Antwerp was the last of the great european ports to handle traditional liner shipping.

by **Shipbuilder** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:31 am

They are all catalogued up to 1965, but after that I didn't bother as I have little or no interest in modern ships although I have a number of plans of them. The journals that they come from are:
The Motor Ship
Shipbuilder
Shipbuilding & Shipping Record
Shipbuilder & Marine Engine Builder
The Shipping World
Schiff Und Hafen

Bob

by **Neptune** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:42 am

Wow, that's a pretty amazing collection of plans you have! Do you have any modern ships? Like container carriers or VLCCs in there?
For now I'm still pretty much stuck on the gas carriers and they aren't a really thankful subject

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