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by **Vlad** » Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:35 am

Thanks Dan, and for the other thread too. If you don't know (or know where to find out) then there isn't much hope for the rest of us

. Guess we just have to assume the Japanese kit manufacturers got their general knowledge on the seaplane complements from somewhere. In any case they're plausible so good enough.

by **Dan K** » Fri Jul 05, 2024 8:48 pm

Unfortunately, there is no readily available reference on seaplane complements, and the TROMS are incomplete on that point.

It's probably still 1 & 1. She's certainly carrying at least one E13a. The E13a was probaly light grey, as that was the new color scheme in 1942. The Alf may still have carried the blotch camo.

by **Vlad** » Fri Jul 05, 2024 3:12 am

In an echo of my Mogami-class post...

What is the correct seaplane complement for Kinugasa in 1942 and how are these painted? Is she still carrying 1x E7k and 1x E13A and is the latter overall amber grey or when does it change to green?

by **AdrianoMarelli** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:37 pm

Dan K wrote:And, from Lacroix and Wells.........

Thank you for so much details. The last one is gorgeous as it shows even the metal sheet placement)

P.S. Kagero is like this (I hope the link works)

by **Dan K** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:59 am

And, from Lacroix and Wells.........

by **Dan K** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:03 am

I meant to check my L&W copy last night, but forgot. However, the Gran Prix Shuppan cruiser book has a a cross-section of Furutaka as modernized with bulges. Given that the same hull was used for all four ships, and modernized the same, I would think this illustration accurate for Aoba.

I'll try to remember to check L&W anyway.

by **Vladi** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:56 am

Hi Adriano,

I cannot speak namely about the Kagero Aoba book but I�ve come to some discrepancies in some of their other books. Profile Morskie usually have some issues, too. I suggest you collect all Aoba photos you can get from the internet, crosscheck against the book and then make your decision depending on the level of accuracy you aim for. From my point of view the most reliable secondary reference is the 1/100 build by Mutsuo as featured in Navy Yard 46 magazine - he spent years in researching Aoba for his build and it is absolutely awesome.

Cheers, Vladi

by **AdrianoMarelli** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:15 pm

Thank you, guys. I think it is a clear manifestation of the ingenuity of the ship's architects.

Could anyone say something about Kagero's book? I have 9 models in the pipeline, mostly IJN, and I hope to complete most of them next year (maybe too bold of me to say so given the fact that I've decided not to settle with what is available and go to the max with the rather inferior Pola from HobbyBoss). But 1/350 Aoba is still on my mind. I hope those blueprints of Kagero book are OK. But I am still suspicious about those vertical sides of the anti-torpedo bulges. they look like it is a freighter, not a warship. However, Furutaka blueprints from Profile Morskie looks the same.

by **Dan K** » Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:59 am

Thx, Phil. I knew there was more technical name for it (which I can never remember), though I think it's referred to as the Venturi effect.

by **DrPR** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:53 pm

Those "wind vanes" are called venturi. As the drawing shows they deflect air flow upward.

Air blowing into the bottom is deflected upward and compressed. This increases the velocity, creating an upward jet of air at the top that is moving faster than the oncoming wind. The rising air stream deflects incoming air upward, creating an area of relative calm on the open bridge behind.

They work very well. We had them on my first ship and you could stand out on the open bridge in a squall and the venturis would blow the rain up and over the bridge.

Phil

by **Dan K** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:42 pm

blow away droplets from the windshield and observation platform while steaming

That is exactly how it worked. See illustration below

AFAIR, there is not such thing on Myoko and Takao classes.

In most cases, wind vanes were installed during 1942. There are countless photos of these ships with the windvanes.

by **AdrianoMarelli** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:21 pm

Dan K wrote:Wind deflection vanes on the front of the bridge superstructure.

Thank you. But I am ever more confused

How it is supposed to work � blow away droplets from the windshield and observation platform while steaming? AFAIR, there is not such thing on Myoko and Takao classes.

PS There is a good picture of those panels in a 1/700 photo-etched upgrade on this very forum

by **Dan K** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:02 pm

I can't comment on the Kagero book, but maybe someone else can.

Wind deflection vanes on the front of the bridge superstructure.

IIRC, I don't beliive she ever wore camo, even at war's end.

by **AdrianoMarelli** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:18 am

Hello, guys. Since I don't see any 1/350 Aoba kit, I contemplate beginning a possible scratch built one (hopefully this summer). A couple of questions.

Is Kagero book on Aoba a good reference to begin with? I am especially interested in the hull blueprints.

And I am also curious about those panels on the superstructure's front. They are above the coning tower and seem to be metal sheets. I saw similar on Hasegava's Yahagi too but cannot figure out their purpose. Splinter protection?

By any chance, did Aoba have a camo at some point of her life rather than IJN grey all above the waterline?

Thanks.

by **Mutsuo Sasaki** » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:36 am

Dan K wrote:Only five years?

I look forward to all of them. Particularly Chokai.

Yeah, starting from march 2013 with ca 3 years�blank period in between for a new build (of Chokai 100),Aoba was finished on the New Year�s day with a help of a prodigal son-in-law.
He will be doing antenna riggings for Hyuga and Furutaka soon.
Ca. 70 pics were taken of Aoba, but not all will be used for publication.

mucho,

by **Dan K** » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:56 pm

Only five years?

I look forward to all of them. Particularly Chokai.

by **Mike C** » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:54 pm

You've convinced me. HLJ, here I come.

by **Mutsuo Sasaki** » Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:05 am

Dan K wrote:Outstanding, Mucho! Mine's on order. I can't wait to see it.

Good to hear from you as well. Best, Dan.

hi, Dan. I�ve noticed they have changed the cover photo to the above-posted one quite recently.
Have spent netto 5 years on making of her. Was quite a challenging build since some important sections of Aoba were not known so far.
cheers,
mucho

by **Mutsuo Sasaki** » Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:43 am

Mike C wrote:Navy Yard No.46 includes Furutaka and Aoba? Neither the HLJ or Hobby Search listings mention those, only Mogami class. Did I miss something? How extensive is the coverage?

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hi, Mike. as far as I can see from their mail, the first 14 pages will be used as a brief introduction of Aoba 100 on the N.Y.nr.46.
Then the Aoba will reappear on the next issue of nr.47.together with partially remade Furutaka 100.
If everything goes well with the magazine, they wlll go on dealing with BB/CX Hyuga 1944 and Chokai 1944 + rest of /most of Aoba�s and Furutaka�s shots in another publication. I can only say good and positive responses from home and abroad will condition it, though.
cheers,
mucho,

by **Mike C** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:20 pm

Navy Yard No.46 includes Furutaka and Aoba? Neither the HLJ or Hobby Search listings mention those, only Mogami class. Did I miss something? How extensive is the coverage?

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