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by **Plasma_Frigate** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:00 am

Ok, here is the final product, glued and repainted and sanded. It's not great (a bit uneven and misshapen). but it will have to do. It covers the 'abyss' just fine'. This is my debut ship model in 20 or so years so let it be a lesson to me of how I started. The first of many ships to come I hope (once I finish her of course, but the main hurdle is over).

Also started the weathering. I used the Naval series from AK Interactive. The photos don't really do it justice, weathering looks much better in person. But I may need to thin it out a bit more as perhaps it's a bit too weathered

It's how I imagine the ship would have looked upon return to Petrograd in 1917 after deployment in the Baltic Sea. Now I'm really inspired to cut the hull down to waterline (thanks to the thread in the main forum) and make a diorama, Aurora on the Neva River firing the shot that starts the October Revolution.

by **Admhawk** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:28 pm

Looking Awesome!! Have you tried it in place to see if it will be an acceptable solution to the gap issue?

If you PM me your address, I can send you a piece of PE grating. I have lots of bits and pieces that should fit nicely.

by **drasticplastic** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:08 am

I can't find a better pic than this online:
https://www.industrialmetalsupply.com/P ... y-metals#1
The second item from left is perforated brass sheet. Usually available singly in some model RR shops, along with other shapes and sizes of perforations. I've used it for mesh floors and platforms in larger scales, but the right size perforations will mimic the wood grid pattern on the bridge deck. It's thin brass (similar to the thickness of PE) and easily cut with scissors or small shears.

by **Plasma_Frigate** » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:00 am

I didn't have any reserves of PE materials to overlay the deck to replicate the mesh effect. Tried a few other things, they turned out awful, ended up giving up until revisiting the model today and just sticking some leftover wooden deck over it. Similar to drastic's suggestion but just foregoing trying to replicate the mesh.

My leftover wooden deck is only bits and pieces, since I needed vertical cuts I had to cut out a lot of little squares. Once I sand the edges of the parts down, it should look passable. At least the decking of the top of the wheelhouse is wooden as well, so it doesn't look too out of place. Maybe the wooden strip can be where the sailors wipe their feet before entering into the bridge

by **Admhawk** » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:48 am

I think it looks pretty good for a first attempt.

This is where I find scratchbuilding fun, look through your parts stash for a bit of photo etch that looks like the floor grating.
Radars, flight deck netting etc, cut to fit and glue it on top of the new floor piece. But make the floor piece out of plain flat sheet.

A couple of suggestions,
First, Attach a new floor piece to the main section. Make it a little longer side to side, so that the sides stick out. Make sure to align it vertically so that any PE grate you put on will sit flush with existing floor grate.

Now attach what you have found for the floor grate, making sure to align it to the existing grate and that is sits flush with the existing grate.
Next, attach the new side block extensions, ensure they follow the same angle as the existing pieces. leave a bit extra extending fwd over the new deck piece.

Then, sand/cut/file flush across the whole front end. Do the same with the cut edge of the piece you cut off. Sand/trim until the cut piece sits flush with the new extension pieces.

Next, glue the front piece back on to the new extension.
When dry, sand the sides and top smooth and fill any remaining imperfections with putty and sand smooth again.

by **drasticplastic** » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:30 am

I think your "mesh" flooring is actually a criss-cross wood planking on the deck. In any case, you put your replacement decking running side to side instead of fore and aft as deck planking should usually run. If you've still got the scrap wood from the decking sheet you can cut out a piece to cover the entire area (original and scratch) and draw on a grid with fine point pen, or pencil, to imitate the plastic grid deck.

by **Plasma_Frigate** » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:32 am

Ok so I've made a good attempt at this but it still looks very rudimentary. I bought grooved styrene which looks close to deck planking, cut a length of that and stuck two pieces of thick styrene on the ends to represent the bulkhead borders. Painted it and this is the end result. Haven't glued it together yet because I don't like it. It doesn't look right because the rest of the deck around it is mesh flooring. Any level of scratchbuilding is really beyond me unfortunately, all I know is how to stick pieces together and paint them.

I could make more attempts, but I can't replicate that mesh decking and without that the scratchbuilt piece will stand out by a mile.

by **Plasma_Frigate** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:49 pm

Thanks so much Darren. I will give this a shot today.

by **Admhawk** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:39 pm

Okay, here you go. Now remember, there are many ways to go about this, I'm just trying to show you what I think might be the simplest.

I tried to give you an overhead view and a perspective view, but the perspective image isn't very good.
Basically, you just cut the front of the bottom level right off at the red line and add a couple of pieces of styrene (plastic) to fill the gap.
The blue is a flat piece of plastic to extend the deck.
The yellow are blocks of plastic to extend the side bulkheads.
You can have the deck piece go all the way across, or just to the yellow blocks, it's totally up to you and where you want the joints to be.
You can see examples A and B in the pic giving a front to back view. I prefer B, either way works.

I like using the small saw blades that fit into an x-acto/Excel knife handle for cuts like this.
Evergreen strips come in all sorts of sizes for this kind of work.
You'll have to do a little filling and sanding to make the joints smooth.
Use Crazy glue and that's about it.

by **Plasma_Frigate** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:58 am

Admhawk wrote: I can draw you a cutting guide if you'd like.

Yes please

by **Admhawk** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:40 am

Close.
leave the main deck the way it is.
Extend the deck above by cutting the block and moving it forward.
You will also have to extend the side blocks and the deck itself to match.
Then the bridge will sit closer to the stack like you have it in the last photo.

Not a perfect solution, but it may save you some work and look reasonably decent.

I can draw you a cutting guide if you'd like.

by **Plasma_Frigate** » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:48 am

Thanks for the analysis Darren. I still don't really understand. Do you mean bringing the bridge back like in the pics below? (cutting the long piece on the foredeck and moving that back as well) Have to take care of that wall ending on the main deck, where a stepladder goes on either side.

by **Admhawk** » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:33 pm

First, photos can lie. Perspective is everything and can make things look way different than they are.

Second, Kits always have flaws.

The Photo you provided is good, but it's taken a little too close to make a perfect comparison. However, I think it shows enough to identify the issues.

In this comparison, you see that the kit is off in several spots. To fix the funnel spacing means moving the first 2 funnels forward. However, to do that properly, you need to remake the structure they stand on. That's a lot of work and might be more than you're willing to attempt. Also, if you are going to fix the funnels, then you may as well fix all the other little issues, like the side gun sponson placing.

What I think might be a better solution, is to extend the deck that the bridge structure sits on and move the whole thing back a little. In this photo, the white box shows approx how much you could add to the front. You could move the funnel a small amount forward if you wanted without major surgery. Then, when the vents are put between the bridge and funnel, the gap will be much less noticeable.

I hope that helps a little, whatever you decide to do.

by **Plasma_Frigate** » Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:14 pm

Admhawk wrote:Can you post a profile photo of the model?

Like this, https://www.flickr.com/photos/kev_grego ... 487103925/

I may have a simple solution, but need to check something.

Darren

See attached profile photo.
I placed forward turret, bridge, funnel and rear platforms in their respective fittings to give you an idea.

Thanks drasticplastic, I will see what Darren's proposal is first

by **Admhawk** » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:23 pm

Can you post a profile photo of the model?

Like this, https://www.flickr.com/photos/kev_grego ... 487103925/

I may have a simple solution, but need to check something.

Darren

by **drasticplastic** » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:29 am

When a wood deck is applied, they can be difficult to remove because the backing is very sticky. It will require some clean-up to remove adhesive residue and try not to damage the underlying plastic kit. Solvents will certainly be damaging (although Goo-Gone is probably safe). If you buy another replacement wood deck you will have to modify it to fit whatever alterations you make to the kit. If it was my kit and I was determined to correct it, I would probably do the necessary surgery and scratch-work with sheet styrene, and not bother with a wood deck - just paint it. Alternatively, you can buy generic 1/350 laser-etched wood plank sheeting and cut your own sections to fit.
Instead of moving ALL the funnels forward leave the rearmost one where it is and space out the others equally so that the foreward one is where it is supposed to be. That way you won't end up with an awkward blank space somewhere. It may still be not be correct, but it will be better.

by **Plasma_Frigate** » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:56 pm

drasticplastic wrote:If it wasn't for the application of the wooden deck, some scratch-building with sheet, and strip plastic, and re-positioning of the funnels would work. But not so easy now.

Ok well if it was your model and you were willing to cut your losses with the wooden deck by removing it, what would you do? When I'm back home I will test fit to see how the funnels look if moved forward a cm or two. The rear half of the ship is going to look very sparse.

by **drasticplastic** » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:34 pm

If it wasn't for the application of the wooden deck, some scratch-building with sheet, and strip plastic, and re-positioning of the funnels would work. But not so easy now.

by **Plasma_Frigate** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:34 pm

I can't really do that level of scratchbuilding

Like repositioning the funnel platforms.

Here are pictures showing the deck pieces separately, for comparison. Nothing has been glued on yet. Is there anything else you can suggest that isn't too complicated?

I was thinking of putting a deck over it, and some added PE detail would be nice to make it look realistic and disguise the abyss, but then it's not the Aurora, if you know what I mean.

This YouTube video (in Russian only): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xihQ5-jvdq4 is a build log of the original plastic kit. His deck looks different, because where the bridge ends there is an abyss but no walls around it like my one. But his bridge covers the entire area anyway right up to the funnel. My guess is that the bridge in my kit too small maybe. ARK doesn't seem to care, as in the previous post picture the abyss is clearly there and they haven't bothered to correct it.

by **Timmy C** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:30 pm

This beam-on image seems to illustrate well the problem: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kev_grego ... 487103925/

Seems you can shuffle all three funnels forward a bit: the third funnel to where the forward davit is, the second funnel to just slightly forward of the third gun, and the first funnel so that its aft cowl vent is even with the second gun. It'd probably require some scratchbuilding to fix the levels on that superstructure they're sitting on, but shouldn't be too much work (though you already have the wood decking on, so that's unfortunate).

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