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by **TZoli** » Fri Nov 15, 2024 3:04 pm

maurice de saxe wrote:From photographs it seems that Oriskany's gun armament by 1973 was four single 5-inch and no 3-inch twins. Is this correct?

Thank you,
Maurice

Even from 1962 or 61 that was the armament:
https://www.seaforces.org/usnships/cv/C ... iskany.htm

by **maurice de saxe** » Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:52 pm

From photographs it seems that Oriskany's gun armament by 1973 was four single 5-inch and no 3-inch twins. Is this correct?

Thank you,
Maurice

by **Braniff92@gmail.com** » Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:27 am

sctbrd wrote:I found this document: http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/ ... ights.html

As noted:

(f) Landing Deck Lights: These lights are installed at the flight deck level to outline the flight deck for landing and take-off. The two forward lights on the starboard side and the two forward lights on the port side are red, all other lights are white.

(1) The white lights have a maximum range of 1800 yards, and a vertical light spread of 14.5� with the lower light cutoff parallel to the top of the flight deck. The angle of azimuth is l60�.
(2) The red lights have a maximum range of 400 yards and a vertical light spread of 30� with the lower light cutoff parallel to the top of the flight deck. The angle of azimuth is 104�
(3) The starboard row of white lights and the aftermost port white light have a horizontal light distribution from 130� to 290� relative. All other white landing deck lights on the port side have a horizontal light distribution from 100� to 260� relative.
(4) The starboard red lights have a horizontal light distribution from 156� to 260� relative. The port red lights have a horizontal light distribution from 100� to 204� relative.
(5) The landing deck lights are installed and mounted so that the rows of lights will be as nearly as possible in straight lines, parallel to the ship's centerline, as is
compatible with the contour of the flight deck. Red lights may be designated for the white lights in which case all red lights except the two forward lights on each the starboard and port bow, would have the same characteristics and be installed the same as the white landing deck lights.

THANKS SO MUCH!!!!! This is a good start. Looks like it's for Yorktown class (although it states for "CV, CVB, CVL, CVE). My Essex Class Line Drawings shows only four flight deck level lights on each side so it's alittle different than this one but again, it's a great start, especially since it references colors also. I really appreciate your help.

by **sctbrd** » Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:03 am

I found this document: http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/ ... ights.html

As noted:

(f) Landing Deck Lights: These lights are installed at the flight deck level to outline the flight deck for landing and take-off. The two forward lights on the starboard side and the two forward lights on the port side are red, all other lights are white.

(1) The white lights have a maximum range of 1800 yards, and a vertical light spread of 14.5� with the lower light cutoff parallel to the top of the flight deck. The angle of azimuth is l60�.
(2) The red lights have a maximum range of 400 yards and a vertical light spread of 30� with the lower light cutoff parallel to the top of the flight deck. The angle of azimuth is 104�
(3) The starboard row of white lights and the aftermost port white light have a horizontal light distribution from 130� to 290� relative. All other white landing deck lights on the port side have a horizontal light distribution from 100� to 260� relative.
(4) The starboard red lights have a horizontal light distribution from 156� to 260� relative. The port red lights have a horizontal light distribution from 100� to 204� relative.
(5) The landing deck lights are installed and mounted so that the rows of lights will be as nearly as possible in straight lines, parallel to the ship's centerline, as is
compatible with the contour of the flight deck. Red lights may be designated for the white lights in which case all red lights except the two forward lights on each the starboard and port bow, would have the same characteristics and be installed the same as the white landing deck lights.

by **Braniff92@gmail.com** » Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:56 pm

Can anyone tell me what color the Landing deck lights on the edge of the flight deck (4 on each side per the USS Hornet CVA-12 Line Drawings) were when illuminated? White? Blue? I can't find anything on them. Thanks.

by **Braniff92@gmail.com** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:34 pm

Is anyone aware of where I can purchase plans or line drawings for the Essex class URR-13 Phasor 90 structures on the four corners of the ships? Anyone?

by **Braniff92@gmail.com** » Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:48 pm

MartinJQuinn wrote:A reminder these topics are for questions about the real ships themselves. Pictures of models, unless it is to ask a question about a real ship, should be in the work in progress forum. I moved the build posts to that forum.

Intrepid to Hornet conversion here: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=383037

Thanks Martin. I wasn't aware.

by **MartinJQuinn** » Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:42 pm

A reminder these topics are for questions about the real ships themselves. Pictures of models, unless it is to ask a question about a real ship, should be in the work in progress forum. I moved the build posts to that forum.

Intrepid to Hornet conversion here: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=383037

by **Michael Potter** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:52 pm

For illustrations of boat dollies: visit Ray Bean�s Facebook site, directly or via a WWW search string:

<< site:www.facebook.com "Eyes of the Fleet 2" >>

and open his Photos tab. He posted drawings and a photo there approx October 13.

by **Tracy White** » Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:53 am

(For reference, the jeeps in the hangar are M151A2s, often called MUTT for "Military Utility Tactical Truck") and the de-militarization process for them before being surplussed was to have then cut in half. Some enterprising enthusiasts bought the pieces and welded them back together so there are historic examples running around today)

Good luck with your procedure David.

by **Tracy White** » Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:22 am

Well, hopefully your retirement won't / didn;t involve getting sawed in half!

by **Tracy White** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 2:07 am

Damned mangey MUTTs...

by **Michael Potter** » Fri Oct 06, 2023 6:31 pm

These photos show parts of boat dollies aboard LPH's, which overlapped with the postwar Essex class.

1. < Boat dollies in background aboard USS Guadalcanal (LPH 7) >

2. Boat dollies in background aboard USS Iwo Jima (LPH 2).

by **Braniff92@gmail.com** » Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:58 pm

I've spent hours on-line searching trying to find the trailers/dolleys Essex Class ships boats were set on. NO JOY!!!!!! also, can't find any 3"/50 Cal ready ammo lockers. Anyone know of any that I haven't been able to find?????? Also, I know I've seen a photo somewhere of the Hornet's personnel boats stored in Hangar Bay 3 but now I can't find the damned picture. Anyone know where I could find them? Thanks.

by **Braniff92@gmail.com** » Sat May 27, 2023 9:58 am

WOW! Thanks so much to you guys. The help from you all is so appreciated. This is the most technical and exhaustive conversion I've ever done (I thought my conversion of a BWN 1/350 Gearing Class to DD 731 (USS Maddox) in her 58 fit was intense) but this project easily out-does that. Your help is greatly appreciated.

by **Admhawk** » Fri May 26, 2023 8:12 pm

These are the best pics I could find of the guns. HTH's.

by **Rick E Davis** » Fri May 26, 2023 4:58 pm

Actually, the Mk 63 GFCS went through several "director mods", which were only part of the total system, including a "pointing/tracking" director and a ranging/tracking Mk 34 radar (same radar/antenna on the Mk 56) installed on the 40-mm or 3-in/50 RFG mounts. Initially in 1945, the Mk 63 GFCS used a modified Mk 51 Mod 6 director (with the Mk 15 gunsight). The gunsight was modified and improved and then designated as the "Computing Sight Mark 29". The system was considered to be obsolete post-war, but used where Mk 56 GFCS couldn't be utilized post-WWII. But, a succession of improved/upgraded directors were installed on ships in an attempt to overcome the performance short-comings against modern faster jet aircraft.

A scale Mk 51 director can be modified with an additional "box" atop the director as seen in image Timmy posted to visually appear as the Mk 29. The Mk 34 (in 1950's reclassified as AN/SPG-34) radar antenna was 3-ft in diameter.

by **Tracy White** » Fri May 26, 2023 4:41 pm

One might consider dropping our various 3D Printer vendors a line - the Mk 63 was a system that came out in 1945 and there were more than a couple of ships that had it before war's end - from memory at least CV-16 and CV-18 did.

http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/Misc/Mk63GFC/

I have some good photos of the radar mounted on a quad 40 MM.

by **Timmy C** » Fri May 26, 2023 3:29 pm

You might be able to make a rough facsimile by modifying a Mk. 51 director, such as this set from L'Arsenal, especially if it comes with separate PE "arms" that you can rotate to a lower position to more accurately reflect the Mk. 29's appearance.

by **Maarten Sch�nfeld** » Fri May 26, 2023 3:24 pm

Braniff92@gmail.com wrote:Now that it looks like it's been verified that I need a Mk 29 Gun director for my 1/350 Hornet conversion for the stern 3"/50 call twins mounts gun director is anyone aware of such a thing available in 1/350th scale? I've just been searching for awhile and see none. Plenty of mk 56 for the 3"/50 cal twin mounts but nothing for the Mk 29. Any 1/350th kits include them????? Thanks.

Thanks for biting the bullet Braniff92!
You're having exactly the same question as I have for the Kearsarge in 1952/53:

So far I can only think of scratch building the Mk 29 in a separate tub and the radar antenna on top of the gun mount. I will need two set of these, both at the bow and at the stern platforms.

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