Pontosmodel 1/200 HMS Hood 1941 Detail Set

[EJFoeth]

I made a small sketch of the various hawsers in 6 types. The data is a combination of the official drawings and photographs. Corrections welcome! Adding a few spares may me a good idea.

From left to right

1) All hanging from bulkheads. Shorter and longer ones are present below deck. A lot of guess work as photograps of this lower area are very rare.
2) Cable reels for the 27"" Whalers
3) Smaller hawsers, one near each paravane at the bridge, two near the aft pompom
4) This version was present as three versions near the forward funnel, starboard. Later pics show only one (!) but cannot tell what type. May be type 5)?
5) Medium-sized hawser, various location
6) Large hawsers

Hawsers.jpg

reels_01.jpg

Note that near the paravanes there are 1 hawser and one handing cable reel each.

reels_03.jpg

This image suggests a fourth large Hawser; exact position unknown.

[Admiral John Byng]

Please correct the mistake in the shielding with decking that allows for the removal of the incorrect splinter shields. I noticed on KA's deck that they didn't remove the splinter shielding and therefore the deck goes around the shielding. Man a picture would of been better than this ramble.

Yes, he's exactly right. This particular splinter shield is very wrong...there was NO inboard section AND the outboard section is not the correct vertical shape.

There are also problems with some other 4" splinter shields forward as well as the one at the rear of the boat deck.




If Pontos cannot create replacement parts, can you PLEASE engineer your wood deck veneer to be the correct shape (or provide an alternate) and include the correct information in the instructions? This alone would be very helpful for us who want to use wood veneer.

Frank, that is immensley helpful to those of us who knew that the round shape was wrong but were not quite sure of the exact shape of the rear 4" gun station!

[Pontosmodel]

Thank you for your advices.
We will try to do realize as many as possible for these.
Especially Reel shapes and each location might no problem.
Deck shields and extra shields might be possible.
Please keep to do this for more perfection.

Thank you
Keumho Kim

[FW_Allen]

Part N2 also has a few problems:
1. The shape of the part is wrong...there was no internal step on the starboard side. The splinter shield is also not quite accurate (though it should be easy for modellers to fix by cutting/filing).
2. There were 7 windows at the top, not 8.



Note - I edited this post on 1 Dec to fix a broken image link.

[FW_Allen]

I know that you are including many replacement pieces for the bridge, but did you address the windows at the front of the Compass Platform? Trumpeter didn't get the configuration correct.


Note - I edited this post on 1 December to fix a broken image link.

[FW_Allen]

Please remember that part M1 is missing some important detail. There were three large square WINDOWS (these were not vents) that Trumpeter failed to mould into the kit.



Note - I edited this post on 1 December to fix a broken image link.

[Gunner82]

Looks great! Now what about your detail sets to make the 1/200 Merit Hornet into the Enterprise or the Yorktown?

[FW_Allen]

I'm not sure if you've already addressed it or not, but Hood had a degaussing coil/cable that encircled her hull. It was doubled around the bow, a single line amidships and doubled around her stern. It was somewhat "messy" looking around the bow (and possibly around the stern where it dipped down and back up again). Note: Of all the photoetch for previous models of Hood, it seems like Gold Medal Models came closest to getting this right (for the 1/350 Trumpeter kit).



Speaking of the degaussing coil/cable, we know from photos, that it dipped downward abreast "X" turret on the port side...but we're not so sure it was identical to starboard. 1940 colour footage doesn't show such a dip (or at least, not a notable one). EJ Foeth can probably elaborate on this a bit better than I can.

Note - I edited this post on 1 December to fix broken image links.

[FW_Allen]

Kim,

Here's another erroneous splinter shield (I forgot to include this before).


By the way, you can see most of this same material listed at http://hmshood.com/hoodtoday/models/tru ... ter200.htm

Note - I edited this post on 1 December to fix a broken image link.

[Dan Banks]

It just occurred to me that in order to accommodate some of the improvements that have been suggested here, Pontos would need to make two versions of the wood deck. One for kit as is and one for accursed version. I don't think anyone has done that before?

[cplchanb]

As much as I think Mr Kim appreciates the great support from Mr Allen, the HMS Hood community and other
contributors, I think there has to be a point to draw the line. Sure there are many inaccuracies with the current
mold, but to incorporate all the changes to make it even 95% accurate would make this kit in-affordable and impractical
to many modellers who are on a tight budget. Not to mention one should be prepared to be disappointed to a degree since
even Mr Kim and KA Models have to prioritise the balance between cost and detail. They need to make money too so to incorporate so
much detail and changes to the point where it would cost more money to make would be unrealistic. As well, each change costs time to retool
and redesign the production tools. That would only delay release.

IMHO we should determine and prioritise which major details to present to Mr Kim and be content with scratch building the finite corrections
should we choose to continue in our pursuit for historical accuracy.

[Channell]

As much as I think Mr Kim appreciates the great support from Mr Allen, the HMS Hood community and other
contributors, I think there has to be a point to draw the line. Sure there are many inaccuracies with the current
mold, but to incorporate all the changes to make it even 95% accurate would make this kit in-affordable and impractical
to many modellers who are on a tight budget. Not to mention one should be prepared to be disappointed to a degree since
even Mr Kim and KA Models have to prioritise the balance between cost and detail. They need to make money too so to incorporate so
much detail and changes to the point where it would cost more money to make would be unrealistic. As well, each change costs time to retool
and redesign the production tools. That would only delay release.

IMHO we should determine and prioritise which major details to present to Mr Kim and be content with scratch building the finite corrections
should we choose to continue in our pursuit for historical accuracy.

That's up to them to decide where the balance point is and gamble if we will still pay good money for it... everything here is just a suggestion and a "Christmas wish list" so to speak from us.

My wishes for this model are PE shield replacements for the secondary twin 4.7? guns with the smaller doors on the front of the shields open (the plastic shields are too thick) and PE plates for the grilles on the forward superstructure and all (rectangular) windows that can be put over the top or inletted into the plastic while leaving blank space behind. Also, don't forget the octuple pom-poms didn't have cone flash hiders on the barrels; KA missed that... otherwise the additions for the pom-poms on the Nelson/Rodney were awesome and I hope they are the pretty much the same.

I also want a pony.

[EJFoeth]

Speaking of the degaussing coil/cable, we know from photos, that it dipped downward abreast "X" turret on the port side...but we're not so sure it was identical to starboard. 1940 colour footage doesn't show such a dip (or at least, not a notable one). EJ Foeth can probably elaborate on this a bit better than I can.

degauss_1 - Copy.jpg

The cable does not dip down on the starboard side as far as I can tell, only port side. Don't know why exactly!

[FW_Allen]

That's up to them to decide where the balance point is and gamble if we will still pay good money for it... everything here is just a suggestion and a "Christmas wish list" so to speak from us.

Exactamundo! He summed it up perfectly: It's up to Pontos to decide what to include (or not).

Here's my "wish": speaking for myself (and not as the 'Hood dude'), I would hope that Pontos would consider taking a different approach: instead of replicating all the same photoetch parts that come with the kit (no need to because much of the kit brass is perfectly fine) perhaps they can choose to only incorporate erroneous or missing major details. That might help modellers whilst also keeping costs realistic. That, or perhaps they could release a basic set and a separate advanced set. Again, its up to Pontos to do what they feel makes the most sense.

In the meantime we will continue to make suggestions for as long as Pontos wants us to.

[FW_Allen]

Speaking of the degaussing coil/cable, we know from photos, that it dipped downward abreast "X" turret on the port side...but we're not so sure it was identical to starboard. 1940 colour footage doesn't show such a dip (or at least, not a notable one). EJ Foeth can probably elaborate on this a bit better than I can.

degauss_1 - Copy.jpg

The cable does not dip down on the starboard side as far as I can tell, only port side. Don't know why exactly!

Thanks Evert-Jan!

Kim- This is a VERY important detail...and Pontos can be the first to get this right!

[Pontosmodel]

Yep we try to do right based on right references.
And can I know how we can get the master plan shown by you?
We have some but many parts of them was reproduced wrong partly.

As for the Degaussing coils, we are also digging the right shapes.
And we will show something soon.
One important thing is that we should find the control housing of DC.
All the degaussing coil system has Control housing showing start and end point of DC.
Generally this housing locates at Middle of hull.
As for the two or one duct, even one duct(long mid area) may have two DC lines inside.

And now I am finding Paravan information used in HMS Hood.
These are some different type following HMS Nelson's

Thank you
Keumho Kim

[FW_Allen]

Yep we try to do right based on right references.
And can I know how we can get the master plan shown by you?
We have some but many parts of them was reproduced wrong partly.

We can probably review the plan via this forum's private message or email. I've sent you (and EJFoeth) a forum email this morning.

Frank

[Pontosmodel]

Allen
I would find the way to get your plan.

Following is the Hood's Bell based on Paul Allen's expedition site.


Thank you
Keumho Kim

[FW_Allen]

This is the bell that was retrieved:

Hood had three bells at one point. One was mounted to a bulkhead amidships (in the walkway that runs across the enclosed shelter deck/former side batteries area). The other was mounted on the very end of the superstructure about 2 or so meters above the Quarterdeck. Then there was the "small bell"...the most important one. It was kept in a @10ft high 4 legged cradle with a crown on top. This could be brought out onto the quarterdeck as needed and would be stored outside the Captain's cabins otherwise. This was the bell that was retrieved from Hood's wreck. Its brass with some other metal for the crown. The crown and interior were painted a vivid medium blue (the RN museum calls it sky blue, but when I got to see it up close it was actually more similar to royal blue or cobalt blue).

We're not certain if both watch bells were still in use by 1941. One crewman recalls only the amidships one and the small, fancy one. I may have a photo of one watch bell if you are interested (it had different details and was larger than the retrieved bell).

[Pontosmodel]

Frank,
Yep please give us information of other Bells.
I also have read the page 83 of Bruce Taylor's Hood.
Is this photo bell is the retrieved bell? IF so, we would realize the tower shape of the bell frame with crown.

And I doubt why HMS Hood is now called as the Battle Cruise not the Battleship though I know the meaning of battle cruise.
This bell shows apparently "H.M.S. HOOD BATTLESHIP..."

Keumho Kim