? Battleship Bretagne - France - Design & 3D printing 1:200

[Iceman 29]

Small advances on Deck 2 and 3, gluing of the many elements of Deck 2 that are directly under Deck 3.

The decks are still not glued together.

The paint has been applied except for the back of deck 3 which will be grey H 96 like the other decks in grey.

I was wondering if the red linoleum deck was kept until 1940 through the various remodels of the building?

I'm waiting to glue the lower crown holding the cranes, I'll do it once the decks are glued so they are perfectly straight.

[Iceman 29]

I hadn't taken a little break, but I worked on some details including the masts.

Deck 3 is glued tonight. I'm doing the tricky connections at the front, not to damage anything. Tomorrow I will touch up the gray deck.

I printed the rudder and added rivets, many rivets. Apparently it was mounted like this, if we follow the plan.

I'm quite satisfied with the masts and yards, I had to make them hollow and hollow for the plastic one, a piano wire is inserted to stiffen, when it's not possible, I simply put piano wire. It remains to put the steel cables, in stretched plastic.

I found some very thin mesh on Ali express to make the anti-torpedo net that is rolled along the hull, I'll probably wrap it a turn or two around a thin copper wire, so I can shape it along the edge.

[JIM BAUMANN]

Wow! It does all look very intricate and very sharp.

Ruidder is huge!

Masts look very intricate and complex--are the yards just plastic or have they been stiffened with wire also?
curious!


question; do you think that the lino decking should have the colour intensity knocked back a bit with a wash/ filter..?

I guess on the real ship the red lino ( like most red things of old ) may have been bleached by UV somewhat?
that way the bits that are in shade cold remain as is but fore and aft decks and side weather deck etc could be a bit less of a feisty coulur?

just thinking!

Best wishes
JB ( today is a good sunny classic car driving day !)

[wefalck]

Actually, the pigment used in Battleship Linoleum to my knowledge was red ochre or iron-oxide red, which does not bleach, being a mineral pigment. However, the surface, which originally would have had a satin shine, would become matt with use (which is why it was waxed and polished regularly in indoor use) and there may be salt-spray on it, giving it a slightly whitish haze.

[Iceman 29]

Thank you for your advice and your remarks, gentlemen, the photos (Iphone) tend to contrast the colors, especially taken in unnatural light.

But I will take into account the decks are not yet aged, I have to test on a deck I did not use and also take into account that the ship had just come out of the yard in 1915/1916, it is "new". That's why I didn't force on the weathering of the hull.

The linoleum deck looked very clean according to the pictures, well maintained, cleaned every morning, I suppose ( washing station), even in the rain, as I was able to do during my military service on a escort ship ( EE Vauquelin D628 ) for one year.

The big vergues have affectively a steel wire of 0,3mm inside too, a challenge.

@Jim, JB ( today is a good sunny classic car driving day !), yes we go!

Some more pictures:























"Tape" of a mouth of cannon, on the right one of the battleship Provence, sistersip of the Bretagne (It was recovered by divers in the port of Toulon after the scuttling of the French fleet, it is said. Not a 340 mm ! ).

"Semper paratus", "Always ready".



Battleship Provence.



On the left, one of the EE Vauquelin D628.

[marijn van gils]

Wow, this is quite a project!
How could I have missed it? From now on, I'll be following with interest!

[Iceman 29]

Thanks Marijn, you welcome!

[Iceman 29]

I lightened the deck color.

Painting and gluing of some accessories on the rear deck, barbettes. Stairs, PE railings, etc.. It's not finished, there's still more to come.

[wefalck]

I think the colours now tie better together!

These 3D-printed details are just fantastic. It would be difficult and very labour-intensive to make them the 'conventional' way.

[Iceman 29]

Thanks Wefalck.

The stoppers printed very well. The mountain gave birth to a mouse!

The photos are not of good quality, I would do it again

[Iceman 29]

I worked mainly on the back of the ship and its anti-torpedo nets.

I had to order mesh in China, in fact, different sizes of mesh, so I could choose, here 120 in stainless steel, it's very thin, I think it would match the original mesh, it forms very well, especially.



It remains to age it a bit, because it must have rusted a lot at the time. Stainless steel didn't really exist yet. It must have rotted the planking.

These nets were taken out of the armament rather quickly around 1918, after the war.

I also have some small brackets to draw again, they help to keep the net along the hull, at the sea station.



The net booms are also in place. There will be a lot of work to fit them with their rigging. They will have to be aged again too.

There are different sizes of mesh and possible materials, stainless steel, brass. The 120 is 0.15 mm mesh for example.

Stainless steel:
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/4000808291024.html

Brass:
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/4001065795155.html

The rear deck is almost finished. The rigging of the spars and the railings remain to be installed, as well as the aft cutaways.

The deck plan is different on the battleships of this type, notably, the location and number of cloakrooms.

[JIM BAUMANN]

Tres Bon!

Now I am guessing---

but the methodology of handling. rolling and stowing the nest I would have thought...
would be similar across most navies

the trick is to get the deployed ( vertical hanging curtain ) of net back on to the skinny narrow net shelves...

On the Koenig class-- a very near contemporary to your ship--the had brailing davits inboard of the net

as I understand it-- the were lines/ cable that went trough the nets.

That way they could ' furl' them up
encs image of my 1/350 Koenig model

ancient old 35 mm images-- but you can just about discern the net brailing davits

[wefalck]

There has been a NEPTUNIA article on these nets: Desceni�re, P.: Les filets >Bullivant<, NEPTUNIA No. 300: 26-31, 2020, that is very useful.

The museum in Paris had some net fragments on display, but I don't know from which period they were:



There is also a model of the TRIDENT (1876) that shows such nets deployed, but I don't know when these nets were installed whether the arrangements of booms and tackle would be still valid for BRETAGNE:



The above article by Patrice Descensci�re also discusses how the nets were deployed, taken in and stowed.

[Iceman 29]

Thank you both for the pictures and explanations:

Thank you both for the photos and explanations.

I have some plans of the Bullivan rigging:

Bretagne:









Lorraine:







Provence:

[wefalck]

With such detail plans, you should be able to produce a very good representation of this rather complex gear

They differed somewhat from navy to navy. I translated the article by Descenci�re into German (with his blessing, of cours) for our quarterly, Das Logbuch, and added some specific information on the version of the Imperial German Navy. The design of the nets themselves and the materials used also changed over history.

It also interesting to read about their effectivens. It seems that German and Austro-hundgarien U-Boot commanders developed a tactic to fire two to three torpedoes with a short delay onto the same spot of the net - the first blows a hole into the net and then the others pass through.

[Iceman 29]

Nice Pictures:

http://www.gwpda.org/naval/nets.htm





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_net

You're right:

"
First World War:

The sinking by torpedo of three Allied battleships during the 1915 Dardanelles Campaign, all with torpedo nets deployed, demonstrated that the increased speed of newer torpedoes and the tactic of firing several torpedoes at the same location on the target had made the torpedo net ineffective. Torpedo nets were superseded by the anti-torpedo bulge and torpedo belts.

Second World War:

Ship with deployed torpedo nets in the Second World War

Torpedo nets were revived in the Second World War. In January 1940 the UK Admiralty had the ocean liner Arandora Star fitted out with steel booms at Avonmouth and then ordered her to Portsmouth where she spent three months testing nets of various mesh sizes in the English Channel. The net successfully caught all the torpedoes fired at them and reduced the ship's speed by only 1 knot (1.9 km/h), but in March 1940 the nets were removed.[11] In July the unprotected Arandora Star was sunk by a torpedo, killing 805 people.

Booms and nets were fitted to a few ships in August 1941, and by the end of the Second World War they had been fitted to 700 ships. The nets did not protect the whole of a ship, but protected from 60 to 75 percent of each side. 21 ships so equipped were subject to torpedo attacks while the nets were deployed. 15 ships survived as the nets succeeded in protecting them. The other six were sunk because a torpedo either penetrated a net or hit an unprotected part of a ship.[11]

Nets protected ships at anchor, especially as obstacles against submarines, human torpedoes, and frogmen. They were also used to protect dams, and led to the development of bouncing bombs to defeat them, as in Operation Chastise."

Stowing torpedo nets on SMS Weissenburg in 1896.



Russian battleship Evstafi with torpedo nets deployed


Testing the Japanese battleship Yamashiro's torpedo net at Yokosuka in 1917


En route!:
Ship with deployed torpedo nets in the Second World War

[Fliger747]

I would be surprised if torpedoes of the era, and even WWII, tracked accurately enough in three dimensions to allow penetration of the same hole. After all it was somewhat of a triumph to hit a 600' ship?

All that said, a complex rig to duplicate at a small scale. As always much for the rest of us to observe and learn!

Cheers: Tom

[Iceman 29]

A friend of mine unknowingly directed me to a software that is able to produce 3D figurines. So I started this afternoon. The big advantage of this software is the manipulation of body attitudes which is amazing and easy to understand. You just have to add a french bachi to this american sailor to make him a french one. At 1/200 and 1/100, it is credible.

I made the simplified bachi in Fusion360 and then imported it, the possibilities are endless, bag, shell, box, rifle, helmet, sitting, standing, walking etc., just move the members of the figure in the right position in a few clicks and seconds, a good free Swiss Army knife this Daz Studio. This will free me, I hope, to buy expensive figures because it takes a lot on a ship of this size.

https://www.daz3d.com/install-manager-info

I filled the figure with the Hollow function of Chitubox with the grid sub-function.









It printed very well, it's perfect.

I printed at 1/200 and 1/100, real size 1m75, the details are amazing, it will be even better when I print a test with the Photon Ultra I think.

I will be able to make a nice series in different postures and really adapted to the ship.

The sailor outfit is not in the default program, I bought the module on their online shop, for a small fee, I took the printing license as well.

https://www.daz3d.com/catalogsearch/res ... al+uniform













This is how it looks in print:

[wefalck]

Yep, have known about it for several years - but my 3D-modelling skills are not up to it yet and, above all, I don't have (yet) a 3D-printer. It's quite impressive, how this application program and its database has developed over the last few years.

[Iceman 29]

Yes, it's pretty amazing, I discover new things every day. A world of enthusiasts.

I corrected the hand position during the salute which was not regulation for the French Navy.

I almost got a slap on the wrist. Yet I did some salutes...





More like army soldiers, turn of the century?

https://www.daz3d.com/military-dress-un ... s-2-male-s



This one is better for the cap and the rest, it can be used for NCOs and officers.

https://www.daz3d.com/army-general-uniform-expansion



Pilots:



https://www.daz3d.com/pilots-uniform-of-wwii



Soldiers:

https://www.daz3d.com/us-ww2-uniform-pa ... -expansion