Calling all King George V-class (WWII) fans
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Cag
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
Hi All,
Hi 81542, thank you for your kind words, indeed I have seen documents from many archives and take their copyright conditions very seriously, theyve given me the opportunity to see such important historical items and i feel it incumbent upon me to respect their conditions of viewing. I do try to help if I can but can only give truncated detail which I hope is enough without betraying any copyright agreement.
The most interesting thing about the hits on Prince of Wales is that the damage report author seperated the hits into above and below water hits and numbered them from the bow aft. This means hit no1, the compass platform hit is the first above water hit on PoW starting from the bow, but not the first hit received by PoW, even though many accounts do state that it was.
The Captain of PoW, the Gunnery Officer and the damage report author all give the correct position of the first hit. I'm pretty sure I've got the sequence correct but it's a "guesstimate" and so not accepted wisdom.
Plus at least one early numbered hit comes from a completely different direction to the others, which would mean that the ship that scored that hit would need to have reversed course, fired, and then reversed course back again, which I'm pretty sure isn't recorded by anyone as happening.
Hopefully one day I may write a paper on these things and get permission to publish, but as with all these things real life gets in the way!
Best wishes
Cag.
Hi 81542, thank you for your kind words, indeed I have seen documents from many archives and take their copyright conditions very seriously, theyve given me the opportunity to see such important historical items and i feel it incumbent upon me to respect their conditions of viewing. I do try to help if I can but can only give truncated detail which I hope is enough without betraying any copyright agreement.
The most interesting thing about the hits on Prince of Wales is that the damage report author seperated the hits into above and below water hits and numbered them from the bow aft. This means hit no1, the compass platform hit is the first above water hit on PoW starting from the bow, but not the first hit received by PoW, even though many accounts do state that it was.
The Captain of PoW, the Gunnery Officer and the damage report author all give the correct position of the first hit. I'm pretty sure I've got the sequence correct but it's a "guesstimate" and so not accepted wisdom.
Plus at least one early numbered hit comes from a completely different direction to the others, which would mean that the ship that scored that hit would need to have reversed course, fired, and then reversed course back again, which I'm pretty sure isn't recorded by anyone as happening.
Hopefully one day I may write a paper on these things and get permission to publish, but as with all these things real life gets in the way!
Best wishes
Cag.
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
Does anyone know what King George V was mounting in 1940/41 on her forward superstructure? There are these two emplacements on either side at the lower platform level, and the forward of the two has something mounted on it - a signalling/saluting gun, maybe? The rear position appears to be empty.
Photo from https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item ... /205138033
It seems the equivalent position on the port side was empty, at least in January 1941... https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item ... /205137232
Photo from https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item ... /205138033
It seems the equivalent position on the port side was empty, at least in January 1941... https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item ... /205137232
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igorp
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
Yes,saluting guns, according the plans. Interesting thing, what a waste of place and weight in 1940.
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
I assume then it was likely to have been the 3-pounder QF Hotchkiss gun? Perhaps without the sights, as per these examples:


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TZoli
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Does anybody have drawings of the square shaped HACS Mark V director?
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
Of interest to some may be found in this thread - with a link to a seemingly recently released PDF of 2019 survey report - that I started elsewhere with regards what remains of the wreck of Prince of Wales (and, far worse, Repulse).
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=384960
A sneak peak of what remains of PoW's wreck below.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=384960
A sneak peak of what remains of PoW's wreck below.
"We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it." Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
"A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging." Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942
"A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging." Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
I don't have the drawings, but I know ModelMonkey makes them in various scales, most importantly in 1:350TZoli wrote:Does anybody have drawings of the square shaped HACS Mark V director?
"I've heard there's a wicked war a-blazing, and the taste of war I know so very well
Even now I see the foreign flag a-raising, their guns on fire as we sail into hell"
Roger Whittaker +9/13/2023
Even now I see the foreign flag a-raising, their guns on fire as we sail into hell"
Roger Whittaker +9/13/2023
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
That's a sad sight, no doubt even worse nowKevinD wrote:Of interest to some may be found in this thread - with a link to a seemingly recently released PDF of 2019 survey report - that I started elsewhere with regards what remains of the wreck of Prince of Wales (and, far worse, Repulse).![]()
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=384960
A sneak peak of what remains of PoW's wreck below.
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KevinD
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
I wonder if any member here might have a copy of the London Gazette supplement from February 1948 that covers the sinking of Prince of Wales and Repulse?
The front cover of that supplement below.
The front cover of that supplement below.
"We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it." Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
"A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging." Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942
"A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging." Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942
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ligamin
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
Hi guys, do you have correct dimensions of turret for QF 5.25"/secondary armament please?
Thanks!
Thanks!
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Lethal215
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/iss ... /page/1237KevinD wrote:I wonder if any member here might have a copy of the London Gazette supplement from February 1948 that covers the sinking of Prince of Wales and Repulse?
The front cover of that supplement below.
Here is all of them: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/awards-and ... ent/100325
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KevinD
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Thank you VERY much Lethal!Lethal215 wrote:https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/iss ... /page/1237KevinD wrote:I wonder if any member here might have a copy of the London Gazette supplement from February 1948 that covers the sinking of Prince of Wales and Repulse?
The front cover of that supplement below.
Here is all of them: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/awards-and ... ent/100325
Quite the treasure trove there in "all of them".
"We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it." Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
"A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging." Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942
"A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging." Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942
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KevinD
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
Hi Martin,MartinJQuinn wrote:Discussion of the salvage of PoW/Repulse wrecks has been moved here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=378221
Please post further discussion on that topic there, not here.
Thanks
Re the above link, it seems it no longer works, all I get is "The requested topic does not exist."
And a search usung the terms "salvage of PoW/Repulse wrecks" etc, turns up nothing (that dates circa or prior to your post).
Does that thread still exist? If so do you have another link?
TIA.
Kevin
"We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it." Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
"A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging." Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942
"A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging." Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942
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Bob the Stug
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
Afternoon can someone help me?
Planning ahead to do the Tamiya POW, Eduard do 3D Carley floats in different types and for no of crew,
Type 1 & 2 in 10, 25 & 40 crew. I don't have a clue. I assume they were all the same or a mixture. They look the same on the spues of the kit?
Thanks in advance
Bob
Planning ahead to do the Tamiya POW, Eduard do 3D Carley floats in different types and for no of crew,
Type 1 & 2 in 10, 25 & 40 crew. I don't have a clue. I assume they were all the same or a mixture. They look the same on the spues of the kit?
Thanks in advance
Bob
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
Not sure what you're asking, Bob. Which brand's "Type 1 and 2" are you talking about?
De quoi s'agit-il?
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Bob the Stug
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
Hi Timmy, my apologies poor explanation
by Eduard
Type 1 looks like a diagonal mesh??
Type 2 has I assume wood slats running length ways with cross slats
The ones with the KGV kit looks nothing like them both?
Bob
by Eduard
Type 1 looks like a diagonal mesh??
Type 2 has I assume wood slats running length ways with cross slats
The ones with the KGV kit looks nothing like them both?
Bob
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
I'm not 100%, but I think the floats on the KGVs were mainly or entirely of the smaller size, and from the few photos where I can see the floor of them, they look like the wooden slats. The 3D prints are only really accurate for floats stowed in a horizontal position though, with the slatted floor centred. When stowed vertically, the floor drops down behind the float, so it looks like it's only half a floor, the top half being net.
See here: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item ... /205137830
See here: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item ... /205137830
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Bob the Stug
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
Many thanks for the help, appreciated
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Octopus
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
Hi
I'm looking for shell expansion/shell platting for KGV hull. I have for exchange the same drawing for HMS Nelson/Rodney
Thank for help
chris
I'm looking for shell expansion/shell platting for KGV hull. I have for exchange the same drawing for HMS Nelson/Rodney
Thank for help
chris
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81542
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Re: Calling all HMS King George V class (WWII) fans
One option.
You might need to buy them from the National Maritime Museum or ask one of the building yards (or whoever now holds the archive for each company) if they have a copy. Note, the former does not do exchanges!
81542
You might need to buy them from the National Maritime Museum or ask one of the building yards (or whoever now holds the archive for each company) if they have a copy. Note, the former does not do exchanges!
81542