dangerous activities...

[JWintjes]

This video shows an incident off the Lebanese coast involving German FACs. It is NOT a fake:

http://www.isnichwahr.de/redirect29953.html

Mind you, I'm not so much posting it because it's weird but because it shows how dangerous "breaking the line"-manouvers are - and that was standard practice in WW1 navies...

Jorit

[Werner]

Gentlemen, count your fingers!

[Timmy C]

Yeah, I saw this on Break.com via the NF forums... silly and crazy stuff. Who were the participants, besides the Germans? Lebanese?

[Werner]

People who do not get enough days-at-sea training.

Watch out. The USN is approaching this low level of ability.

[Guest]

I see a German missile boat darlingly raking the exposed stern of a enemy German frigate, and then go on to engage yard arm to yard arm with another enemy German missile boat. Admiral Nelson would have been proud.

Was the gallant captain the same one who ran a mine sweeper so far up a rock that it looks like it was aiming to impel the sky?

[MichelB]

Admiral Tryon's spirit lives on...

[JWintjes]

Well, although - to the best of my knowledge - thankfully there were no casualties both boats were considerably damaged.

When I saw this for the first time I thought - imagine you're at Jutland, captain of a torpedo boat and get the order to charge through the battle line, with a battle going out all around you, smoke all around and the enemy bearing "somewhere over there". Pretty exciting.

Jorit

[chuck]

I like the jovial, carnival atmosphere on the bridge of transgressing missile boat right up to the collision, the fact that all of the sanguine heads on that bridge was trained towards the stern of frigate whose wake the boat just crossed instead of in the direction of the other boat on an intercept course no more than 50 yards ahead, and the fact that the other boat plowed ahead, taking no evasive actions, oblivious to the fact that it is about to be T-boned.

Hate to say it, but these do not look like naval officers. Instead they look like particularly reckless boozing afternoon boat party goers. I was wondering if the RAM launcher on the other boat was going to shoot off a firework display into the bridge of this boat. Judging from the atmosphere on the bridge, somehow I suspect these actions that would have almost certainly have ended careers in the USN is somehow regarded as all fun and games on these ships.

[Werner]

Like I said, practice makes perfect. If they want a navy that works, they need to work their navy a little more.

What's that line -- 'Every once in a while they shoot an admiral to encourage the others?' A few dishonorable discharges for dereliction of duty and maybe one or two prison sentences for extreme carelessness in the execution of orders might improve operations wonderfully.

I still say the best thing to do is add 100 at sea days to their current training load, which is probably 45-60.

[Walt_not_Chuck]

Neat.... I will bite my tongue on any comments about the parties involved... Bite bite bite......

[Walt]

Walt not Chuck??????? what happened there??? orry Chuck that was my silly post..

[Jean-Paul Binot]

In a consulting company I worked for, this kind of prowess was tagged as being a CLM (Career Limiting Move), after which you were ETL (Encouraged To Leave), and if you did not get the hint, eventually TTL (Told To Leave).

The one thing I wonder is why on earth would ship captains engage in that sort of reckless manoeuvre?

When I was in the army, we occasionally had an APC flatten the fence of a German countryside house, "Oops, tut mir Leid, you will have to talk to our Ubungschadenoffizier; it is the nice guy with the checkbook over there�", but THIS is outrageous. It does not qualify as an accident, just as plain reckless stupidity.

[Filipe Ramires]

I got the impression that the ship being "rammed" had mines on the stern...very hazardous if it is true.

[Rod Ackers]

Well what the effin hell do you expect from a country that is still in denial from it previous war activities.
There are only 2 navies in the world with superb ship handling skills around the globe and they are the RN and the USN. Closely followed by the Commonwealth navies.
The reason being that these navies have ships at sea all year round and all over the globe. Nowadays of course they have ships in hot areas, though the RN would like to draw a veil over the recent kidnapping of one of their boarding crews in the Gulf by those rather obnoxious Iranian fecal headed bastards.

[JWintjes]

Well what the effin hell do you expect from a country that is still in denial from it previous war activities.

Huh?

Jorit

[Guest]

:There are only 2 navies in the world with superb ship handling skills around the globe and they to re the RN and the USN. Closely followed by the Commonwealth navies.
The reason being that these navies have ships at sea all year round and all over the globe.

RN was undoubtedly attempting to demonstrate to the Commonwealth Australian Navy the finer points of handling a ship onto well charted and exposed rocks in broad daylight when HMS Nottingham (D91) ran 130 foot onto Wolf Rock off Queensland.

The Royal navy gave the seamenly excuse of "the sea being an unforgiving master" afterwards, as if fault can be assigned to the sea when a ship in calm sea, clear day light and horizon visibility runs onto exposed and clearly charted rock.

[Werner]

Don't forget the submarine USS San Francisco. In this day and age there is no excuse for running hundreds of millions in state property into a shoal or submerged rock.

[JWintjes]

The Royal navy gave the seamenly excuse of "the sea being an unforgiving master" afterwards, as if fault can be assigned to the sea when a ship in calm sea, clear day light and horizon visibility runs onto exposed and clearly charted rock.

Hey, what would you do if suddenly a rock is jumping into your way?



Jorit

[Guest]

The Royal navy gave the seamenly excuse of "the sea being an unforgiving master" afterwards, as if fault can be assigned to the sea when a ship in calm sea, clear day light and horizon visibility runs onto exposed and clearly charted rock.

Hey, what would you do if suddenly a rock is jumping into your way?



Jorit

The last words heard on the bridge of HMS Nottingham just prior to the grinding, tearing sounds of 5 compartments from bow to bridge being ripped open were:

"What the Hell is that?"

[Dustermaker]

when i first saw that i was like wow that was close.......OMG THERE IS 1 MORE SHIP!!!!!!! WOW IT HIT!!!!!! LOL so funny to watch this!