H'okay, so...
in the combat club a friend built an Andrea Doria... he wants to battle allied and claims since Italy joined the allied side its legal. however, i was wondering on your opinions and knowledge...
from what i've read the Andrea Doria was transfered to Malta after the surrender and "intered" or effectively held captive without hostility by the allies... from what i know it never actually participated in anything with the allies or was even ever under command of allied captains.
what do you got? cuz i want him to have to sail axis...
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As long as I remember, most capital units were held stationary in Malta or Suez area, but a few cruisers and destroyers were used for blockade runner patrols...
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I have a list somewhere of what ships went where.
I have an old friend of the family who was on Howe and escorted much of the Italian Fleet into
'the guns of the Fortress of Malta'.
The sheer number of ships meant that some where sent from Malta to Alexandria I believe and inturned for the rest of the war and disabled.
But Kenny as far as I'm aware Andrea Doria was inturned and sat on its backside from 1943-1945.
I think the Soviets also kicked up a fuss and wanted a Littorio class for their spoils!
I have an old friend of the family who was on Howe and escorted much of the Italian Fleet into
'the guns of the Fortress of Malta'.The sheer number of ships meant that some where sent from Malta to Alexandria I believe and inturned for the rest of the war and disabled.
But Kenny as far as I'm aware Andrea Doria was inturned and sat on its backside from 1943-1945.
I think the Soviets also kicked up a fuss and wanted a Littorio class for their spoils!
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Re: Andrea Doria?
Say, OK but then make him stay in port while the rest of you battle. On the grounds that his ship is being held by the allies pending the takover of a new Italian government.kennylibben wrote:H'okay, so...
in the combat club a friend built an Andrea Doria... he wants to battle allied and claims since Italy joined the allied side its legal. however, i was wondering on your opinions and knowledge...
from what i've read the Andrea Doria was transfered to Malta after the surrender and "intered" or effectively held captive without hostility by the allies... from what i know it never actually participated in anything with the allies or was even ever under command of allied captains.
what do you got? cuz i want him to have to sail axis...
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I can't believe she sailed to Malta with full magazines ready for combat. She probably sat under the guns in Valletta Harbor for lack of suitable shells and powder.
Similarly, the idea of a 1918 battle between interned German High Seas Fleet and the Grand Fleed inside Scapa Flow is equally farcical.
Besides, on surrender a substantial part of the Italian armed forces simply went home to family upon hearing of the surrender, and didn't return.
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On hearing Italy had joined the Axis, Churchill commented to the press "It's only fair. We had to have them in the last war."
Similarly, the idea of a 1918 battle between interned German High Seas Fleet and the Grand Fleed inside Scapa Flow is equally farcical.
Besides, on surrender a substantial part of the Italian armed forces simply went home to family upon hearing of the surrender, and didn't return.
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Hi, not all the italian ships were hold in Egypt, at the moment and without my docs, I can say that only Vittorio Veneto and Littorio were kept there, but in any case the command of the ships was hold by Italian officers.
About the shells I think that all the ships were full loaded, but low in oil level on the tanks, during the war there were no problem in ammo supply, just oil shortage.
Caio Duilio and Andrea Doria went back in Italy but I should check before to say if they took part in any action, may be this evening I'll be more accurate.
Cruisers Garibaldi and Abruzzi were sent in south Atlantic to patrol the merchants routes to and from south Africa.
Hope this helps
Dino
About the shells I think that all the ships were full loaded, but low in oil level on the tanks, during the war there were no problem in ammo supply, just oil shortage.
Caio Duilio and Andrea Doria went back in Italy but I should check before to say if they took part in any action, may be this evening I'll be more accurate.
Cruisers Garibaldi and Abruzzi were sent in south Atlantic to patrol the merchants routes to and from south Africa.
Hope this helps
Dino
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The situation was a bit different, yes 8 Settembre was a surrender, but in the deals there were orders to put the surrenders on the front against the Germany. This was made equipping the new aviation and army with allied material and a lot of ships were sent in action with italian commanders under allied orders.Werner wrote:I bet Italian morale in 1943/5 was too awful to sustain operations.
Think Germany in 1918.
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I put that funny quote from an Italian Admiral about the fear of Cunningham and battleships leaving behind their catapult planes behind, which he said at the time he was based aboard one of the interned battleships at Alexendria to a naval correspondant.
These ships would have sat in a de-militised state, de-ammunitioned and often with their breech blocks damaged or jammed.
These ships would have sat in a de-militised state, de-ammunitioned and often with their breech blocks damaged or jammed.