Ancient Fleet Found

[kennylibben]

As for references, you can take any standard history of Tuscany or of the sea republics.

Jorit

I have, i've studied Tuscan history in Tuscany, Researched the sea republics of renaissance Italy (mainly Venetian Shipbuilding and the fountain of wine), and visited Pisa.... never-once have I come across this information.

[Guest]

Also in many regions of Italy and Greece there is heavy volcano-tectonic control of the coast line. The very elevation of the bedrock at many coastal regions can be shown to have risen or subsided by many feet in the last 2,000 years.

[JWintjes]

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The sea, you know. Quite powerful...

Jorit

It's really not the might of the sea, But the power of land to spread detritus of itself all over what had been the sea, that chokes harbours.

Well, yes indeed.

This was mainly referring to coastal erosion.

Jorit

[JWintjes]

As for references, you can take any standard history of Tuscany or of the sea republics.

Jorit

I have, i've studied Tuscan history in Tuscany, Researched the sea republics of renaissance Italy (mainly Venetian Shipbuilding and the fountain of wine), and visited Pisa.... never-once have I come across this information.

Ehm, Kenny, then you didn't research hard enough, it's even in the Wikipedia entry...

Seriously, though, I could recommend some introductory works in German - the usual stuff we try to have our students read it - but unfortunately, as that's not really my field, I don't know about equivalent works in English. I would assume that there's

If you're interested in the coastal change issue, try getting Thompson's "Archaeology and Coastal Change" via interlibrary loan; it's on Britain, but eye-opening.

Jorit

[Guest]

If you're interested in the coastal change issue, try getting Thompson's "Archaeology and Coastal Change" via interlibrary loan; it's on Britain, but eye-opening.

Jorit

There had been a period not so long ago when the nearest sea coast to the east of London was somewhat to the east of Vladivostok.

[JWintjes]

If you're interested in the coastal change issue, try getting Thompson's "Archaeology and Coastal Change" via interlibrary loan; it's on Britain, but eye-opening.

Jorit

There had been a period not so long ago when the nearest sea coast to the east of London was somewhat to the east of Vladivostok.

Ah Chuck, now you're starting to think in Wernerian dimensions...

Jorit

[kennylibben]

well in my defense i didn't specifically research Pisan documents, and as i said the focus was Venice.

However i'm still shocked that there is no signs of this in Pisa itself!

i find no proof on wikipedia... it only talks of its naval status which of course it would have being on the river so close to the shore.

[JWintjes]

well in my defense i didn't specifically research Pisan documents, and as i said the focus was Venice.

However i'm still shocked that there is no signs of this in Pisa itself!

i find no proof on wikipedia... it only talks of its naval status which of course it would have being on the river so close to the shore.

You'll never find proof on wikipedia...

But you find this:

Furthermore in the 15th century, access to the sea became more and more difficult, as the port was silting up and was cut off from the sea.

Jorit

[kennylibben]

that doesn't imply it was on the coast, just saying the port on the river was...

[Werner]

Geologically speaking, water can carry a burden of sediment proportional to it's speed. Water from a stream or river slows down as it enters a larger standing body. Therefore, a river drops it's load when it enters a lake or sea. That's why deltas form.

[Chuck~]

The aerial photo shows numerous clear strand lines behind the current coast line. This is often strong evidence that the coast on the whole has risen in elevation in a jerky fashion, or else the sea level in general has fallen. It also suggests much of the area around the mouth of the river has been there for some time, and does not consist of extremely recent deposits.

[Filipe Ramires]

Curious thread and more curious is the fact that I started reading today, for work purposes, "Marco Polo - From Venice to Xanadu", by Laurence Bergreen. Interesting book indeed and gives pretty much a good initial account of Venice and Genoa during the 13th Century.