Calling all Iowa-class (BB-61) fans

Tracy White · Post by **Tracy White** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:55 am

Sailor asleep between 40mm guns on board the USS New Jersey (BB-62). , 12/1944.

Note the cloth covering the 40mm ammo; this was common on quad 40mm mounts later in the war.

On board the USS New Jersey (BB-62) at sea. Forward stack , 12/1944

whaynes · Post by **whaynes** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:35 pm

Hey, guys...any aftermarket anchors for 1/350 Missouri and New Jersey? Also, does anybody make brass props for same?

Tony Bunch · Post by **Tony Bunch** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:26 pm

Hi Guys,
Whaynes,
Unknown to me...both counts.
If you are looking for a replacement anchor, try finding out what other ships, (if any), had the same or similar enough anchor and see if there is a newer/nicer kit to, "borrow" from. Classic Warships Montana?
Tony

Tracy White · Post by **Tracy White** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:41 pm

You might look at Yankee Modelworks... they have some anchors, although they don't say what class or type of ship they're for. Obvious a DD anchor ain't going to work on a BB.

EJM · Post by **EJM** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:15 pm

In the 1/350 TAMIYA Missouri kit, there are Parts F20 and they look like thin antennaes. I couldn't find anywhere in the instruction book on where they might go on the ship. Was thinking of adding them to the Montana I just recently built. Where exactly do they go?

EDIT: Never mind. After extensively looking at various Iowa/Missouri pics and models, I found out where they go. Sorry for this post.

EJM · Post by **EJM** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:34 pm

I was lazily browsing the Net tonight when I came across these pics (Which I saved to my comp in case the website they're on goes down.) that I found on an obscure website. They are apparently models of possible IOWA upgrades during the 70's or early 80's?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/ ... ana/i6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/ ... ana/i7.jpg

And here's an interesting pic.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/ ... ana/i8.jpg

And then there's this oddball model someone did:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/ ... ana/i1.jpg

All the pics could be found at this website here:
http://www.combatreform2.com/battleships.htm

Tracy White · Post by **Tracy White** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:37 am

The third link you did is the "Dynamic Dioramas" model. Have you seen Rusty White's Tinian?

Dave Hill · Post by **Dave Hill** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:23 am

EJM wrote:I was lazily browsing the Net tonight when I came across these pics (Which I saved to my comp in case the website they're on goes down.) that I found on an obscure website. They are apparently models of possible IOWA upgrades during the 70's or early 80's?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/ ... ana/i6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/ ... ana/i7.jpg

And here's an interesting pic.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/ ... ana/i8.jpg

And then there's this oddball model someone did:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/ ... ana/i1.jpg

All the pics could be found at this website here:
http://www.combatreform2.com/battleships.htm

After looking at these Frankenstien like "upgrades"...I'm glad the Iowa's were retired "as is"...as Battleships!!!!!!!!!

nick · Post by **nick** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:14 am

EJM wrote:I was lazily browsing the Net tonight when I came across these pics (Which I saved to my comp in case the website they're on goes down.) that I found on an obscure website. They are apparently models of possible IOWA upgrades during the 70's or early 80's?

Those models, I think were just prototypes of a what-if Iowa class that would serve as a battleship and a carrier just like that WW2 Japanese hybrid "battlecarrier" (I don't know the name, Maybe it was Ise or what?)
But the US Navy decided to withdraw the proposal since it was too costly, I think.

Rusty's Tinian serves as an example and his model was also one of the designs made for the Iowas.

Nick

WI_Chris · Post by **WI_Chris** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:48 pm

Hey guys. I am interested in building a WW2 era U.S.S. Wisconsin. I have both the Iowa and Missouri kits from Tamiya and I was wondering which would be easier to convert and what I would have to do. I think I heard somewhere that Missouri and Wisconsin were built differently than Iowa and New Jersey. but that could have been incorrect. thanks for any help you can offer.

-Christopher

Govert · Post by **Govert** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:48 am

Guys,

I want to paint my Tamiya Missouri 1/350 with Revell paint.
Does anybody know what colours to use?
I want paint it in measure 22.

Thanks,

Govert

Post by **ModelMonkey** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:41 pm

model_citizen wrote:Hey guys. I am interested in building a WW2 era U.S.S. Wisconsin. I have both the Iowa and Missouri kits from Tamiya and I was wondering which would be easier to convert and what I would have to do. I think I heard somewhere that Missouri and Wisconsin were built differently than Iowa and New Jersey. but that could have been incorrect. thanks for any help you can offer.

-Christopher

There were some minor differences between Iowa and Missouri. The Missouri kit would be the easier conversion for two reasons.

1. In their WWII appearance, New Jersey and Iowa had open bridge structures at commission. New Jersey received a roundish enclosed bridge later and both New Jersey and Iowa received the same squarish bridge of Missouri and Wisconsin a short time after that. All ships of the class finished the war with the enclosed squarish bridge.

2. More importantly, Iowa was fitted as a flagship and had no Quad Bofors mount on top Turret #2 which would have obscured the view from the flag level of the armored conning tower. Instead, Iowa had a 20mm position on top Turret #2.

Hope this helps.

Gordon Bjorklund · Post by **Gordon Bjorklund** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:55 pm

model_citizen wrote:

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Hey guys. I am interested in building a WW2 era U.S.S. Wisconsin. I have both the Iowa and Missouri kits from Tamiya and I was wondering which would be easier to convert and what I would have to do. I think I heard somewhere that Missouri and Wisconsin were built differently than Iowa and New Jersey. but that could have been incorrect. thanks for any help you can offer.
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The Missouri and Wisconsin were as near to identical as any two ships could be. The only major difference was in the radar they each carried when build. The Missouri had a SK-2 radar on her formast.
Thw Wisconsin had a SK radar on hers, She also had a SG radar on her mainmast.

In this picture from the Wisconsin web site http://www.usswisconsin.org/ you can see the SG radar atop the main mast and can just make out the SK radar on the formast.

You should be able to build Wisconsin right out of the 1/350 Tamiya Missouri box with these changes. I don't know if you need to do anything else.

That's what I was told a couple of years ago when I asked the same question.

HTH

Gordon

Govert · Post by **Govert** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:53 pm

Does anybody know what colours to use when I buy Modelmaster paint?
It is for measure 22.

Greets,

Govert

Tracy White · Post by **Tracy White** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:03 pm

Measure 22 1942-45 or Measure 22 post February 1945?

They have a direct match for 5-H Haze Gray and 5-N Navy Blue in their Marine Acrylics line but there is no direct match in the enamels lines. You can also try White Ensign Models if you want direct matches in enamels.

Tony Bunch · Post by **Tony Bunch** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:59 pm

Hi Guys,
Tracy,
Missouri in late 1945 was still 5-N, 20-B and 5-H was she not?
What is the greatest likelihood?
Missouri had her hull band of 5-N extended upwards to cover the entire hull........in September...........in Hawaii. Was this NOT still 5-N? If so, would it not also be true that she still wore 5-H and 20B?
KAN OF WERMS????????????? Is this the next AZ?
Tony

Post by **ModelMonkey** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:35 pm

Not to get off the color track, but here's some nifty footage of USS Iowa firing its main guns:

http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos. ... =army-a.nl

Tracy White · Post by **Tracy White** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:31 pm

Kan's better than a bucket o wurms!

To further muddy the waters Tony, when the Navy ordered the new paints be used, the changed designations around....Navy Gray became 5-N and Navy Blue was re-designated 5-NB.

So I could answer:

Was this NOT still 5-N?

with a "yes!" and probably confuse everyone if I didn't define WHICH 5-N we were talking about!

Short answer is that I don't know at this point... we need to find some documentation from Pearl Harbor Navy Shipyard that indicates when they started receiving and using the mew formulas and what they did with the Navy Blue.

Govert · Post by **Govert** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:41 am

Tracy White wrote:Measure 22 1942-45 or Measure 22 post February 1945?

They have a direct match for 5-H Haze Gray and 5-N Navy Blue in their Marine Acrylics line but there is no direct match in the enamels lines. You can also try White Ensign Models if you want direct matches in enamels.

Thanks Tracy,

I think I will go for the 1942 - 1945 one.
I have to see if my local store has the colours.
WEM is a bit difficult over here, I have never found it over here.
Over here it is all Revell or Tamiya paint.

Is there also a match for the deck blue?

Greets,

Govert

Tony Bunch · Post by **Tony Bunch** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:30 am

Hi Guys,
Govert,
If you're in no hurry, I'll ship the Acryl colors, 20B, 5H and 5N to you. Oh yes, and some Acryl thinner.
Just pay me back what it costs me.
BTW, the paint has no flash point , so air mail is no big deal.
Tony
ps The 1945 Neutrals is something to fixate on, but not for the meek....

!
Tony