Calling all Yamato (大和) and Musashi (武蔵) fans

skuki · Post by **skuki** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:14 pm

Hi, here are few pictures of wooden deck.

Fits perfect. Funally the problem is solved regarding those joint in the middle of the deck.

J. Soca · Post by **J. Soca** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:51 pm

skuki wrote:Hi, here are few pictures of wooden deck.

Fits perfect. Funally the problem is solved regarding those joint in the middle of the deck.

that looks real tempting, Skuki do the planks look kind of overscaled to you? i'm just wandering here you know, there's no way in telling without having the entire wood deck on the ship itself and you are right about the joints i can see those from a mile away on my Yamato

skuki · Post by **skuki** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:16 pm

Planks looks OK to me, somwhere between hase nagato lines and lines on original Tamiya kit.

I am very satsifide, think it will look real cool on model.

Seabee Mike · Post by **Seabee Mike** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:59 pm

skuki wrote:Planks looks OK to me, somwhere between hase nagato lines and lines on original Tamiya kit.

I am very satsifide, think it will look real cool on model.

Am I correct that this add on is about $80 + US dollars?

I guess it's easier than hand planking though.

skuki · Post by **skuki** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:29 pm

Seabee Mike wrote:
Am I correct that this add on is about $80 + US dollars?

I guess it's easier than hand planking though.

You are correct. I did have in mind to hand plank it, with styrene strips 0.2mm thick but it represents to me not-very-much-enjoyable work. After this came out, I didn't have second thoughts, although it is overvalued, if I try to be objective.

angeleyes · Post by **angeleyes** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:21 pm

planks could def be thinner for 1/350, and you probably will have to stain it somehow to cover that over scale grain ,other than that it will certainly bring an air of authenticity.You cant beat the feel of real wood by just painting plastic.Good luck.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:30 pm

Well, just from the pictures the wooden deck is definitely overscale. The Japanese cypress planking using on Yamato, Mushashi and Nagato were 5" wide, which would be about 0.3mm in 1/350 scale. The planks lines originally provided by Tamiya is actually close to being in scale.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:32 pm

Seabee Mike wrote:I have seen this appear in the 1/100 Super Scale Yamato Model book by Gakken. Does anyone have any additional information on the emergency rudder? Drawings or photos, or where to find them, would be great.

What about the rudder are you looking for?

Seabee Mike · Post by **Seabee Mike** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:38 pm

Anonymous wrote:
Seabee Mike wrote:I have seen this appear in the 1/100 Super Scale Yamato Model book by Gakken. Does anyone have any additional information on the emergency rudder? Drawings or photos, or where to find them, would be great.

What about the rudder are you looking for?

I haven't been able to find any sort of info at all, except for the pictures in the 1/100 book. I do know that the IJN fitted them to their ships to wards the end of the war, but I can't find any drawings or photos.

Seabee Mike · Post by **Seabee Mike** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:42 pm

Anonymous wrote:Well, just from the pictures the wooden deck is definitely overscale. The Japanese cypress planking using on Yamato, Mushashi and Nagato were 5" wide, which would be about 0.3mm in 1/350 scale. The planks lines originally provided by Tamiya is actually close to being in scale.

I'm still considering planking my Yamato; however, your comment makes me wonder. Kappler Mill & Lumber offers a multitude of plank sizes under their N & HO scale list (all sizes for $2.75 per pack of 10 or 11 planks). Two sizes for consideration are:

.035" x 12" which looks like about 12" in 1/350 scale. This would require about 110 planks or 10 packages for a pre-ship total of $27.50.

.019" x 12" which is about 7" in 1/350 scale. This would require about 200 planks or 20 packages for a pre-ship total of $55.00.

I have some of the .035" material on hand and it looks to be about the width of two of the etched Tamiya planks. So it would seem that this size would be out of scale.

On the other hand, I wonder just how difficult it would be to work with the .019" material? Any thoughts from anyone?

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:03 pm

Seabee Mike wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
What about the rudder are you looking for?
I haven't been able to find any sort of info at all, except for the pictures in the 1/100 book. I do know that the IJN fitted them to their ships to wards the end of the war, but I can't find any drawings or photos.

Sorry, I thought you meant the small center line emergency rudder, located in front of the main rudder, that was part of the ship's original equipment. It appears you mean the improvised wooden emergency steering paddle that was stowed against the ship's side near the stern. Unfortunately I don't know much about them, other than they were rather optimistically intended to be manually worked by the stern capstan in the case where all of the ship's mechanical steering are knocked out.

angeleyes · Post by **angeleyes** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:49 pm

when it comes to planking a deck i go the other way around i.e i replace the entire deck with wood which i then sand and scribe and once i finish with that i add on top all the small fittings and superstructure.I find it easier in 1/350 especially when the deck comes as a separate piece (in 1/700 is very common to have the entire hull/main deck in one piece).Have a look at this to see what i mean.

this is a dragon bismark in 1/700.

megawatt400 · Post by **megawatt400** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:25 am

HIall just a quick question on the 1/350 wooden planking for the yamato .Does theplanking lay right on top of the tamiya yamato plastic deck or do you have to cut the plasticdeck out

Seabee Mike · Post by **Seabee Mike** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:55 am

After pouring through numerous sources (hard copy and online) it appears that most sources list Yamato's final 25mm count at 50 triple and 2 single mounts. However, I have found a couple sources that show two additional triple mounts (4 mounts just aft of the Number Three 18" mount instead of 2 mounts) and four additional single mounts (two P/S behind splinter shields at the aft end of the Number One 18" mount). This configuration primarily appears in the Yamato Modeling Guide. It's on the last fold out 1/500 scale drawing as well as a series of sequential drawings (pages 100 - 109) that depict the progression of fit out. One other source depicting the same configuration is: http://homepage1.nifty.com/watakan/yama ... to_aa.html (which can be translated by entering the web address into this web site: http://babelfish.altavista.com/ and selecting Japanese to English).

I realize that AOTS is generally considered the "go to" definitive source for Yamato references, but what is the opinion on these extra mounts? Not being able to read Japanese poses a real stumbling block on the text of the Modeling Guide info. Having just started my 1/350 Yamato, I'm torn between historical accuracy or maximum barrels.

skuki · Post by **skuki** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:35 pm

megawatt400 wrote:HIall just a quick question on the 1/350 wooden planking for the yamato .Does theplanking lay right on top of the tamiya yamato plastic deck or do you have to cut the plasticdeck out

It lay right on the top of plastic deck, it is extremly thin.

chuck · Post by **chuck** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:50 pm

Seabee Mike wrote:
I realize that AOTS is generally considered the "go to" definitive source for Yamato references, ......

AOTS is over 10 years old, and contains some significant inconsistencies with with available photographic evidence. These are clustered in the area of fore deck, aft portions of superstructure, and details on the AA gun tubs and supports. Further problems appear if one build the ship's bow according to AOTS and then dry fit the parts. The anchor arrangement as depicted in AOTS will not work. Most of the issues I found with AOTS interpretation were addressed in the new 1/10 scale Kure model of the Yamato. So far I have found very few problems with the Kure model. So I consider the Kure model more definitive than the AOTS.

Sauragnmon · Post by **Sauragnmon** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:27 pm

well Honestly... who better to produce an accurate, true to form, perfect model of the Yamato than the company who built her in the first place. I would hardly consider any model of the Bismarck more accurate than the legendary one at Blohm and Voss.

Aside note... anybody got information on the super Yamato kit that Fujimi puts out? I remember one of the guys got his hands on it, and I'd love to see what she looks like when I consider it myself...

J. Soca · Post by **J. Soca** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:55 am

Hi guys

A friend of mine was trying to find a picture of Yamato the last one that was found i think last year, i'm pretty sure i saw it too but i can't remember where. if any of you know where can i find it Please let me know. TIA any help will be greatly appreciate it.

William J · Post by **William J** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:40 pm

The large 'life raft' that appears on her stern on the starboard side, what is that and what was its purpose???

Apologies if this is falls in the catefory of 'dumb question'.

TIA

Bill

Bill Clarke · Post by **Bill Clarke** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:46 pm

Hello Bill, that is an emergency rudder, and I don't know if she ever carried one. Atleast I have never seen one in any of the pictures of her at sea. Perhapes someone with the anotomy of the ship book on her may be able to answer that

Bill

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