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Hello all, I've finally started work on my massive BB that I've named the USS OHIO. In the 40's a bb was named the ohio but never was built so I stole her name since that is were I live ,so I figured that was as good of a name as any. The ship is supposed to be in the 40's time line but just about everything I'm putting into her is going to be larger ,wider, and way more armed than anything ever built so I geuss you can say it's a what if project. A what if project if my warped mind ever was in charge of designing a ship. But this is what I have done so far.

The above is how I was able to mark somewhat straight lines for the cuts.

That is a pic of the lengthening I made on the top you can see how much I cut out of the 2nd bismarck hull.

This is a pic of the widening I'm making,In the middle is the beam line i extended, to either side of the wide section is the width of the hull from the factory. Please let me know what you think,all comments are welcome and hopefully more updates coming soon.

A very ambitous project. Good luck!

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Tamiya´s Mini-Bismarck and a Mega-Bismarck!
Good Luck! Interesting Project!

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Thanks yall,I do believe it'll probably take about a year to finish,but are you ready for the weird part.I cut the tail end off of a titanic model I had sitting around just to widen the stern some,you'll see why in a month or so when I get the deck done,but I should have some of the tail up tomorrow. Thanks for looking.

What are the characs of your BB ?

dimensions...
armament...



Jef

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Current 1/700 WL
HMS Repulse

Hey Jef, Right now I'm toying with the armament,But I do know I'm taking the main guns and combining them to make quads (yeah baby) then for the second battery I was going to take the mains off of a 1/700 arizona and then for a third battery I was going to use the bismarcks second battery( if that makes any since).Then I was going to add at least 8 tri torpedo launches half forward and half aft.After that i'm thinking of just searching for the biggest baddest AA I can find and just put them every where I can.But as far as the dimensions go ( since your in Europe) the length is 85.73 cm ,the beam is 12.29 cm.

Your dimensions give at 1/350 scale ; 300mmx43m !!!

A Monster

Did you install 4 quad turrets ( a double Bismarck) ?

With 43 m beam, you can install 380 wing turrets

I test the size with SpringSharp...



Jef

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Current 1/700 WL
HMS Repulse

Testing with SpringSharp, a 77 000T bb
with 6 quad 380mm turrets - 24x380

Grosse Deutschland, Germany battleship laid down 1940

Displacement:
72 407 t light; 77 000 t standard; 83 705 t normal; 89 070 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
984.27 ft / 964.57 ft x 141.08 ft x 33.75 ft (normal load)
300.00 m / 294.00 m x 43.00 m x 10.29 m

Armament:
12 - 14.96" / 380 mm guns (3x4 guns), 1 674.25lbs / 759.43kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
12 - 14.96" / 380 mm guns (3x4 guns), 1 674.25lbs / 759.43kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all aft, 1 raised mount - superfiring
12 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (6x2 guns), 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, evenly spread
16 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns (8x2 guns), 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
40 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (10x4 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 42 045 lbs / 19 071 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 590.55 ft / 180.00 m 16.01 ft / 4.88 m
Ends: 3.15" / 80 mm 328.08 ft / 100.00 m 16.01 ft / 4.88 m
45.93 ft / 14.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 5.71" / 145 mm 590.55 ft / 180.00 m 9.45 ft / 2.88 m
Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.77" / 45 mm 590.55 ft / 180.00 m 32.81 ft / 10.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.2" / 360 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 13.4" / 340 mm
2nd: 14.2" / 360 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 13.4" / 340 mm
3rd: 3.94" / 100 mm 1.57" / 40 mm 3.15" / 80 mm
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -

- Armour deck: 5.91" / 150 mm, Conning tower: 13.78" / 350 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 200 000 shp / 149 200 Kw = 29.00 kts
Range 8 900nm at 19.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 12 070 tons

Complement:
2 459 - 3 198

Cost:
£46.186 million / $184.742 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 5 256 tons, 6.3 %
Armour: 27 144 tons, 32.4 %
- Belts: 7 272 tons, 8.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1 270 tons, 1.5 %
- Armament: 6 770 tons, 8.1 %
- Armour Deck: 11 264 tons, 13.5 %
- Conning Tower: 568 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 5 348 tons, 6.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 34 510 tons, 41.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 11 298 tons, 13.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
116 020 lbs / 52 626 Kg = 69.3 x 15.0 " / 380 mm shells or 18.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 10.5 ft / 3.2 m
Roll period: 18.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.13

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.638
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.84 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.06 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 10.43 ft / 3.18 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 34.61 ft / 10.55 m
- Forecastle (18 %): 25.75 ft / 7.85 m
- Mid (40 %): 22.47 ft / 6.85 m
- Quarterdeck (17 %): 22.47 ft / 6.85 m
- Stern: 22.47 ft / 6.85 m
- Average freeboard: 24.06 ft / 7.33 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 183.9 %
Waterplane Area: 103 099 Square feet or 9 578 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 265 lbs/sq ft or 1 294 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 1.03
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

quad 380mm turrets distribution

A-B-C-------X-Y-Z

B & Y superfiring



Jef

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Current 1/700 WL
HMS Repulse

Jef,Thanks. I never knew of such a thing as springsharp. that is really cool. Yes I'm going to install 4 quad main guns, by gluing 2 of the mains together filling sanding,repeating,repeating,repeating,repeating.Oh all the filling and sanding this project is going to bring. Does anyone have advice on a putty. I'm using squadron's putty. it's okay but dries way to fast to form a long seam line.

Go to Walmart and get a tube of Bondo. The stuff works great. About 1/2 hour drying time and a very fine grain.

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Any ship larger than a Destroyer is a waste of metal.

Prowannab wrote:

"Yes I'm going to install 4 quad main guns"

4 is not enough ; Overall increase to 1.24 !!!

Your hull (300x43 - 77 000T) is made for 6 quads

For 4 quads , 277x37.2 - 57 500T is enough


Jef

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Current 1/700 WL
HMS Repulse

Jef, You got me thinking!!!! I would like to go with the 6 quads.That would be really sweet. But I've got a question. The secondary battery is 4 tri 5" guns ( I think that's what it works out to ), and the third battery is going to be twin 5" recessed down the midship line.How would that effect the mains,could I still use the 6 quads or would I have to go with 4 quads? speaking about weight . Any ways I only have enough turrets to make 4. Unless someone has 4 turrets I could get from them

Your secondary 4T3x5" & tertiary 8T2x5"turrets are...

without effect about the Overall...

I test a 31kts speed...

Jef

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Current 1/700 WL
HMS Repulse

here is a lighter BB
Just...75 000T
300x43m with 5 quad x380 - 31kts

Grosse Deutschland, Germany battleship laid down 1940

Displacement:
70 929 t light; 75 000 t standard; 81 605 t normal; 86 889 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
984.24 ft / 964.57 ft x 141.08 ft x 33.21 ft (normal load)
300.00 m / 294.00 m x 43.00 m x 10.12 m

Armament:
12 - 14.96" / 380 mm guns (3x4 guns), 1 674.25lbs / 759.43kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 14.96" / 380 mm guns (2x4 guns), 1 674.25lbs / 759.43kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all aft, 1 raised mount - superfiring
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (4x3 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, evenly spread
16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (8x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
40 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (10x4 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 35 297 lbs / 16 010 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 551.18 ft / 168.00 m 16.01 ft / 4.88 m
Ends: 3.15" / 80 mm 328.08 ft / 100.00 m 16.01 ft / 4.88 m
85.30 ft / 26.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 5.71" / 145 mm 551.18 ft / 168.00 m 9.45 ft / 2.88 m
Main Belt covers 88 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.77" / 45 mm 551.18 ft / 168.00 m 32.81 ft / 10.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.2" / 360 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 13.4" / 340 mm
2nd: 14.2" / 360 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 13.4" / 340 mm
3rd: 3.94" / 100 mm 1.57" / 40 mm 3.15" / 80 mm
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -

- Armour deck: 5.91" / 150 mm, Conning tower: 13.78" / 350 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 5 shafts, 260 000 shp / 193 960 Kw = 31.16 kts
Range 8 900nm at 19.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 11 889 tons

Complement:
2 413 - 3 138

Cost:
£42.972 million / $171.887 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 4 412 tons, 5.4 %
Armour: 25 914 tons, 31.8 %
- Belts: 6 923 tons, 8.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1 185 tons, 1.5 %
- Armament: 6 046 tons, 7.4 %
- Armour Deck: 11 202 tons, 13.7 %
- Conning Tower: 559 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 6 952 tons, 8.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 33 501 tons, 41.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 10 676 tons, 13.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
115 244 lbs / 52 274 Kg = 68.8 x 15.0 " / 380 mm shells or 18.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 10.2 ft / 3.1 m
Roll period: 18.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.51
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.632
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.84 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.06 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 10.01 ft / 3.05 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 36.09 ft / 11.00 m
- Forecastle (18 %): 32.81 ft / 10.00 m
- Mid (40 %): 22.64 ft / 6.90 m
- Quarterdeck (17 %): 22.64 ft / 6.90 m
- Stern: 22.64 ft / 6.90 m
- Average freeboard: 25.82 ft / 7.87 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 197.1 %
Waterplane Area: 102 530 Square feet or 9 525 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 256 lbs/sq ft or 1 251 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.08
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

quad 380mm turrets distribution

A-B-C-------X-Y

B or C superfiring
X superfiring



Jef

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Current 1/700 WL
HMS Repulse

I finished the stern today,and believe i'll be able to start glueing the hull sections together.

Before;

After;

Tell me what you think,and please be as honest as possible .Thanks for looking.
if you'd like click the link below and you can see all the progress;
http://s86.photobucket.com/albums/k88/p ... 20bb%2068/

Honestly? I am very impressed with your kitbashing skills! Well done and I can't wait to see it finished. Have any drawings of what it might look like?

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Avery, Thank you very much.Sadly I don't have a "blueprint" I'm basically working from whats in the skull,but I hope to keep update pics going on this thread.But thanks for the review i do appreciate it.

And finaly , here is your BB
I think that with your request are correct
4xquad 380mm turrets.
Note the large underwater protection & 400 T reserve weight
Diesel machinery & the large range
The great survivability; more 80x 15" hits or ...28 torpedoes hits

Grosse Deutschland, Germany battleship laid down 1940

Displacement:
65 580 t light; 69 000 t standard; 78 013 t normal; 85 223 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
984.26 ft / 961.29 ft x 141.08 ft x 32.90 ft (normal load)
300.00 m / 293.00 m x 43.00 m x 10.03 m

Armament:
16 - 14.96" / 380 mm guns (4x4 guns), 1 763.70lbs / 800.00kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (4x3 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, evenly spread
16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (8x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
40 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (20x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 10 raised mounts
40 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 20 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 30 041 lbs / 13 626 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 590.55 ft / 180.00 m 16.01 ft / 4.88 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 328.08 ft / 100.00 m 16.01 ft / 4.88 m
42.65 ft / 13.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 5.71" / 145 mm 590.55 ft / 180.00 m 9.45 ft / 2.88 m
Main Belt covers 95 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2.36" / 60 mm 820.21 ft / 250.00 m 32.81 ft / 10.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15.2" / 385 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 13.4" / 340 mm
2nd: 3.94" / 100 mm 1.57" / 40 mm 3.15" / 80 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -

- Armour deck: 5.91" / 150 mm, Conning tower: 13.78" / 350 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 5 shafts, 200 000 shp / 149 200 Kw = 29.38 kts
Range 19 000nm at 16.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 16 223 tons

Complement:
2 333 - 3 034

Cost:
£36.288 million / $145.151 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3 576 tons, 4.6 %
Armour: 26 075 tons, 33.4 %
- Belts: 7 413 tons, 9.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 2 352 tons, 3.0 %
- Armament: 4 809 tons, 6.2 %
- Armour Deck: 10 958 tons, 14.0 %
- Conning Tower: 542 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 5 348 tons, 6.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 30 181 tons, 38.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 12 433 tons, 15.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 0.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
137 812 lbs / 62 510 Kg = 82.3 x 15.0 " / 380 mm shells or 28.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
Metacentric height 11.9 ft / 3.6 m
Roll period: 17.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.41
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.612
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.81 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.00 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 12.86 ft / 3.92 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 35.27 ft / 10.75 m
- Forecastle (19 %): 31.33 ft / 9.55 m
- Mid (40 %): 22.47 ft / 6.85 m
- Quarterdeck (18 %): 22.47 ft / 6.85 m
- Stern: 22.47 ft / 6.85 m
- Average freeboard: 25.39 ft / 7.74 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 67.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 196.1 %
Waterplane Area: 100 303 Square feet or 9 318 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 236 lbs/sq ft or 1 155 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.01
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

quad 380mm turrets distribution

A-B-------X-Y

B & X superfiring


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I am testing the drawing



Jef

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Current 1/700 WL
HMS Repulse

Jef,Thanks for all the work.Can you believe that 40 37mm guns,40 20mm guns and 28 5" guns,and that's not even the mains yet. WOW!!!
One problem I'll have to work on the specs say 5 shafts as of now I only have 3.Thanks again.

The size of the BB need 200 000SHP for 29.3 kts
4 propellers are the minimum - 4x 50 000shp
5 propellers are better - 5x40 000shp
Choose what is better to scratch for your model ...?
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For the 37 mmm & 20mm guns, you can instal more, idem for TT x533mm
& aircraft installation...because, you have 400 T reserve weight

What a powerfull BB to come !!!


Jef

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Current 1/700 WL
HMS Repulse