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1/700 Russian Fleet cancelled

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Hi all,

I mentioned and showed some pictures in the "Calling All Russian/Soviet Navy fans" topic, but here is a seperate topic about my last project the Project 712 (NATO Code Name: Sliva class) Ocean Going Salvage and Rescue Tug.
Four of these tugs were built. Three of them serve in the Russian Navy:

SB-921 Baltic Fleet
SB-406 Northern Fleet
Shakhtyor Black Sea Fleet
SB-408 works in service of Tsavliris

They have a length of 68.8m and a beam of 15.4m (quite big for a tug)

They have strong cranes, one in front, and the biggest in the back. And extensive diving support facilities along with 60t bollard pull to tow ships up to 40,000t.

I'm building this tug (SB-406) for my diorama of the big Northern Fleet exercise in 2005. It was the first really big exercise of the Russian Navy since the end of the Cold War, so I decided to make a large diorama of that exercise. They were not so certain of themselves anymore and had one Sliva class and a bigger Pamir class Ocean going Salvage tug in their fleet.

This is another not so common subject and pictures were hard to find. Plans of course are non-existent of this class. They were built by the Rauma-Repola wharfs in Finland back in 1984 and later.
I based my model on measurements on Google Earth (where I found two of the class). And of course estimations from some pictures I have.

This time I used "Mac's method" (Method which Mac used for his build of an Ecuadorian Corvette more than a year ago). I tried the same method with the Talwar, but this was not suited because the Talwar had more sloped and straight sides.
This time however, the method is very applicable, since the hull is rather complicated.
It practically means you build up the (small) hull of layers of styrene sheet. You cut out your main deck shape as the main template. After that you start sanding untill you reach the required shape.
One disadvantage of this method is that you cannot reach sharp edges by sanding styrene. If you want a sharp corner, then you have to cut by blade.
The hull is not entirely correct, but I'm rather happy with the results up till now. As you can see I painted the main deck and lower level of the superstructure because this part will be covered later.
The windows are very difficult in this scale, and I'm not entirely happy with them, but there is little I can do about it I guess.
I carve the windows out first, then paint them with gloss black. Afterwards I paint with white around and try to make the narrow line (as you can see on the real ship), however due to the carving, the surface is uneven and the narrow lines often end up bent or blurred.
Here are some pictures of the real ships. The biggest problem I have is that I have NO pictures of SB-406 herself except for a black and white one. So practically I don't know her colours. However, I found two very small pictures of her towing K-159 (which sank under tow) and those show the same white superstructure along with a yellow crane. The hull however seems to be the same dark gray as used by the capital ships of the northern fleet. She is also visible on some pictures of the exercise, however light conditions on those pictures were too bad to give a clear certainty about the hull colour. I know there exist some pictures taken during their period at anchor near Iceland during the exercise, which were taken from the sky. And the tugs were assisting Kuznetsov and Velikiy in those pictures, but I'm unable to find those pictures back... If anyone happens to have them, they would be very welcome!

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She is also suitable for fire fighting with four big cannons and a big self protection by a high number of sprinkler nozzles around the ship:

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here are some of the earliest pictures during the build:
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Re: 1/700 Ocean Going Rescue/Salvage Tug

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Hi Roel The Sliva class are indeed interesting subjects and at 1:700 a challenging one . The one thing about the Soviets they produced a huge number of types. But when it comes to size I would say the massive Pamir class are the giants in terms of tonage at over 3000tons and power at 94tons bollard pull. A great start and I'm looking forward to more up dates. :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :wave_1:
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Some progress.

The Pamir (Altay was in the exercise) will be even tougher. I have a lot less pictures of that class, so detailing will be much tougher than the Sliva. However I have one main advantage. I have a side view drawing of the Pamir class from the shipyard. That's at least one reference that can give me the correct distances/measurements. I "only" have to figure out the beam of everything. They are also more difficult to find on GE, but I guess with some searching I will find them. I know one in the Northern Fleet, but the view is too dark to make anything out.

Toughest to find is the correct angle of the funnels (which arch inwards). I used a mixed method for the superstructure. The straight levels I used the hollow method, using styrene sheets as the walls. For the bridge level however I used the full method, with the styrene sheets on top of each other. This was chosed because I had to carve out the front shape of the bridge. To get the windows of the bridge correct, I carved out a strip the height of the windows. Leaving the parts on top and below untouched. Afterwards I used tiny pieces of stretched sprue to make out the windows, this way I had a good level change to paint over and hence a better painting result... Well that's the theory of course. My paint is nearly dried, so it's difficult to paint with it.
As you can see I used a very thin piece of styrene as the main deck. This piece of styrene is actually taken from the "sails" of HMS Victory (Revell). This is very thin styrene and I saved it for such purposes. In 1/700 a 0.5mm sheet would already be way too thick to represent a deck.


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Hi Roel, nice peice of work, keep up the builds, ARH
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Thanks everybody,
hi Ron, glad to see you back in better health! Good luck with your recovery!!!
Paintwork didn't really succeed that well, but I explained what the problem was... The carved windows in the bridge were more or less better, but they were not the best solution. However, in the end I started painting with a piece of stretched sprue, this gave, if you put it straight on the surface you want to paint, the required narrowness for the white lines. You can see the result in the aft windows on the bridge level between the funnels. Some other windows were also done this way, it's a pitty I didn't discover this method earlier!

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Now on to the davits, cranes and bulwarks etc.
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Hi Roel Wow you do pick the hard scales . I like the way you solved the little problem good idea I must try that one myself. Keep up the build . :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :wave_1:
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Re: 1/700 Ocean Going Rescue/Salvage Tug

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Hi Roel!

An interesting subject and I like what I see, you're doing it fine!
Please keep up and keep us updated on your progress
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Hi Roel, if you buy a cheap ladders/railing photo etch set in 1/350 or another larger scale you can get a large number of square and rectangular shapes you can use as windows. As you seem to be able to retrieve size and shapes of ship - like objects from Google Earth determining the exact size and shape of ladder and raling parts from a PE manufacturers' website should be easy. Another advantage of using PE ladders is the ability to open your bridge windows.
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Thanks for the comments guys.
I'll certainly keep you updated if I make progress. But I'm nearing my next voyage, so then it'll be stopped again. I hope to finish this ship before I go though.

Pieter, thanks for the tip! That sounds like a plausible solution to the problem. Did you try this method yourself? I do hate PE, but if that's the solution, I might give it a try.
You cannot derive sizes from Google Earth, but there's a measurment tool and if you know which one is the ship you are looking for, you can measure distance from bow to front of superstructure, and stern to end of superstructure and so on. If you add all the info from pictures, where you can derive sizes of windows and doors (sailing on ship does have its advantages in my case), then you can get a more or less good image of what you are about to build.
My distances are all far from perfect and sometimes I discover an error in relations. For example, the bars on the side of the hull seem to be correct, but if you compare their position with the position of certain details on the superstructure and the front of one of the davits, you see the bar is in the wrong place... (Or the superstructure for that matter). However, up till now it seems to be an acceptable result. My idea of "succes" and "acceptable" are of course much different from 99% of the people here. (I give myself an allowance for errors since I'm considering all these first scratch builds as experiments :heh: :heh: :heh: )
I'll come with pictures later or tomorrow.
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Ok, here we are now.

Those two bars in the back are added, although I'm not 100% happy with them. The second one, aft, is not yet attached. I think I'll wait until I put the railing/bulwark on that part and afterwards attach the bar to the inside of that bulwark.
The davits are also there as you can see, but I've encountered some trouble with the lifeboats themselves.
I also added the little cabin on top of the bridge which supports the navigation radars, it has two doors on its starboard side, so I guess they are the radio equipment room and battery room or something like that. I've also painted the forward part since that had to be done before I mount the bulwark. I had a perfect piece for it, but it ended up standing straight, while in reality it arches a little inward.

And as an extra, a picture of the current ships of the fleet. The Ustinov is nearly finished, the Velikiy is finished (didn't use any PE) and the Kuznetsov is far from finished and will be repainted. Next ship to be started and hopefully directly finished in one run is the Sergei Osipov tanker.
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Neptune wrote:Thanks for the comments guys.
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Pieter, thanks for the tip! That sounds like a plausible solution to the problem. Did you try this method yourself? I do hate PE, but if that's the solution, I might give it a try.
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Hi Neptune, I tried it myself in order to satify my PE addiction -:)
My first and second efforts were two Austro-Hungarian cruisers, Saida and Zenta (both WSW kits). On Saida I made a number of mistakes. The PE did not blend in properly and I added a full interior wich will be invisible forever as Crystal Clear is not that clear.....Zenta went much better. On one of my current projects, an S-Wind class tug, I'm adding an interior and will possibly keep the windows open.
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That Zenta's bridge does look fantastic for sure!

Now I see you are also building a tug, so how come we aren't seeing it HERE???? Way too few people show such projects and I guess it could be interesting for everyone to see and compare how everyone makes their hulls and superstructure etc., just like Mac inspired me with his corvette build!
you're a much better modeller than I am, so I'm sure people (including me) would like to see how you build them!

Here is where I got so far. Crane is nearly finished, bridge is still not attached to the superstructure because there is more work on it. Bulwarks and other plates are in place now and she received her VMF North Fleet colour. (as far as I can figure it out from the few small pictures I have of the actual ship).

Now I'm entering the phase that I hate. The details. No one would actually notice if I left everything off, yet of course I'm obliged to put it there. The waterguns, the lifeboats (for which i still haven't found a solution) etc.

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Hi Neptune Looking rather good . How you can work at such scales and talk of adding the fine detail, amazes me . I''ll stick to my "huge" 1:144 even given the fact I still have difficulties working at that scale.
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Well, here's about the last update till May,

I didn't get this thing finished and I'm leaving on tuesday (tomorrow paperwork and preparations to do).

I added the eyebrow on top of the bridge now. I also made the forward crane and mounted it as well as making some holes in the bulwark.
I also started with the water supply to the top of the roof for the three waterguns mounted there. And now I started drilling small holes with a syringe (still my preferred drilling tool for small drill since the Proxxon is a little too powerful and just melts a big hole in plastic).
And then I add little lengths of stretched sprue to serve as support for the round platforms on which the waterguns are mounted.

The cranes seem to be yellow on SB-406, but my yellow paint as well as black and anthracite are dried out. So I didn't bother buying new paint and opening it before my leave. They could as well be dried out again when I return...

I also added small triangles on top of the funnels. Initially I cut the funnels up to a sharp shape to represent the triangles and leave it "full". But then I decided to cut away the sharp angles and mount these triangles with the hollow space in between. On top they will be connected on each funnel to represent the real arrangement.

Mounting the eyebrow (you can see the two crane jibs on the right of the bridge, I cut the small one first, it was meant for the big crane... It was too small, so I cut a larger one, but saved the small one for the forward crane):
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Mounting the watergun supports and supply:
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The forward crane mounted, she does have the hydraulic drive cilinder, if you look well, near the base to the jib. And exists of two parts. The aft crane is similar in shape, but larger and stronger.
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General overview of the blob of plastic that starts to look like a real Project 712 tug now:
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The small block of styrene you see on the bow was used to support the bulwark, but on the real ship, the real bow is also supported and covered for some area. So I'll cut part of this block away and finish it nicely with some styrene sheets. The mast is mounted directly aft of this piece.

The anthracite paint on the bow and stern rubbing tyres could have done miracles for the look of it, but not for now. Hope to restart on this soon and I also hope that during my trip I can start and complete the plans of the Pamir and Chilikin classes.

Currently this ship is only built with a vague self-made plan for the hull. All other parts are estimated, cut and mounted according to the pictures and my perception. To save time and effort I want to complete plans for the other ships, maybe I can share those with other interested people too then. I can't build when I'm onboard after all...
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Hi Neptune,
this look very nice indeed. I hope I will have caught up this far by may as I have a few other projects going on and my trusty Nikon D40 has just been borrowed by a semi-professional photographer who thinks about going digital.
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Too bad for you, but I just heard that I have to stay for a week. My ship is making a detour for some extra cargo. I'm only going around the 20th of feb... Might finish this ship (minus the some paint) after all!
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Oops, there we go, ship's life I guess. I'm leaving tonight.
She won't be finished after all, but since it's not really good weather outside, I'm working at full speed on this boat.

I've discarded all the stanchions for the watergun platforms. It wasn't posible to get any of the platforms level. Second try I added full platforms, using a piece of sprue.
This however looked too heavy and it would be too obvious that it was faulty, so I thought about carving the lower end of it, hence retain a platform with a central stanchion below it.
Then of course I got back to the original idea, but using the central stanchion to support the platform in a steady and level position (with the posibility of adding the smaller stanchions afterwards). After trying the latter, I decided to leave that part out because it would be a major pain in the ass and no one would notice anyway.
Here is what the top of the bridge looks like at the moment.
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So then I went back to the lifeboats. This time I used a different method and with succes!

This time I took a piece of 2mm thick styrene and cut a rectangle out of it. (measuring 8mm x 3.5mm) Then I drew the shape of the lifeboat (top view) on it and started carving and sanding untill it has a good shape. Afterwards I added a 1mm layer of styrene on top, cut and sanded again and after that the small conning tower. After that I started cutting a tiny glitch in the bottom to fix a narrow keel and a nozzle for the propellor in a small cut-out on the stern. You can't really see that on the picture. I'll try to take another one when she's painted.
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And with the keel mounted:
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This is the bow, with the forward mast fitted, I bleached it a bit to make the rubbing piece on the bow better visible too. The most "amazing" thing about these rubbing pieces forward and aft is that the number of pieces is the same as on the real ship :woo_hoo:

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This might be the last update. Possibly I'll make one more this evening if there is enough progress of course! Still have to pack my stuff.
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Lifeboat's looking good! Enjoy your trip and be careful. I Couldn't see NDSM from my window today because of the fog.
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