1/72 Bismarck
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Re: 1/72 Bismarck now available.
That thing is huge!!! 
Do plans for a trailer come with it? 
I need a bigger income and a bigger work space 
I want one
Do plans for a trailer come with it? I need a bigger income and a bigger work space I want oneThe whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
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Kiwimedic
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Re: 1/72 Bismarck
Hi All
Progress has been slow as I have had to take other paths to get to the decking itself.
I realised that many, but not all of the fittings on Bismarck are margin planked.
To do the margin planking correctlly I needed to make the fittings.
As we all know many drawings do not supply sketches of fittings or sizes and most drawings including a fitting do not have detail at all.
So it was more research and looking for photos of the objects, from as many angles as possible. Then looking for something nearby for an idea on size.
(There are a few things that I have made and I am not sure what they do!)
That is mostly finished now so the decking is going ahead.
I am lucky as I have a purpose built boat trailer for the Bismarck.
The Superstructure is indeed around 6 foot and is around 50%.
Anyway .............. enjoy.
Phil.
Progress has been slow as I have had to take other paths to get to the decking itself.
I realised that many, but not all of the fittings on Bismarck are margin planked.
To do the margin planking correctlly I needed to make the fittings.
As we all know many drawings do not supply sketches of fittings or sizes and most drawings including a fitting do not have detail at all.
So it was more research and looking for photos of the objects, from as many angles as possible. Then looking for something nearby for an idea on size.
(There are a few things that I have made and I am not sure what they do!)
That is mostly finished now so the decking is going ahead.
I am lucky as I have a purpose built boat trailer for the Bismarck.
The Superstructure is indeed around 6 foot and is around 50%.
Anyway .............. enjoy.
Phil.
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JPH
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Re: 1/72 Bismarck
That is one seriously impressive Bismarck.
I'll build anything that has big guns, flat decks & clean lines. I'll also have some CA's, CB's & CL's thanks. 
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RS Digital Studio
Re: 1/72 Bismarck
Hi There , I have been following your build as I am building a 1/50 model as well , I am a Naval Architect with 10 years as a high end cabinetmkaer and boatbuilder , And I hope you don't mind, but I felt I should point out that PVA is not a waterproof glue, and certainly shouldn't be used for even partly outdoor areas, cabinetmakers dont even use it anymore for indoor joints as it breaks down over time and is not moisture resistant.
I would reccommend a really good glue which is Titebond for the marine indusry it is an Aliphatic resin that has been made to withstand more water than usual and is the same as PVA to work with, of course an industrial grade Epoxy such as" techniglue" is best but sometimes the dark glue line this causes can make this a bad choice on seen joints
I would hate to see all your hard work "fall apart" as I know how much work is involved. If you are using real teak for the deck, as I am, you must use polyureathane glue to glue it as the natural oil in teak will prevent anything more than an intial bond and will fail within weeks, you could also use Epoxy BUT you must wipe down the planks with any acetone based solvent first (good idea anyway), this dissolves the oil until the glue has penetrated and hardened, buy which time the oil creeps back to the surface, but the glue is already hard.
Hope this helps.
I would reccommend a really good glue which is Titebond for the marine indusry it is an Aliphatic resin that has been made to withstand more water than usual and is the same as PVA to work with, of course an industrial grade Epoxy such as" techniglue" is best but sometimes the dark glue line this causes can make this a bad choice on seen joints
I would hate to see all your hard work "fall apart" as I know how much work is involved. If you are using real teak for the deck, as I am, you must use polyureathane glue to glue it as the natural oil in teak will prevent anything more than an intial bond and will fail within weeks, you could also use Epoxy BUT you must wipe down the planks with any acetone based solvent first (good idea anyway), this dissolves the oil until the glue has penetrated and hardened, buy which time the oil creeps back to the surface, but the glue is already hard.
Hope this helps.
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Kiwimedic
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Re: 1/72 Bismarck
Hi
R/S digital. I appreciate your concern.
I have been using two types of glue. I have been using Cascamite on all areas that need a true marine application.
I am using Weatherproof pva's on the deck. I have used them in the past with no ill effects so far. I like them because they do not stain the wood.The reasons have mainly been to eliminate staining on the timbers as they are carefully planed and sanded after fitting and the sign of glue smeared on wood is not acceptable. These are then sealed with a clear weatherproof hard wearing polyurethane, that has been thinnned down so it soaks right in. There are a number of coats given.
The idea is that the finished look of the timber has no signs of paints/varnish of any kind.
I have a decking down on a 1:72 Hood and that has been there for 12 years now and still growing strong.
I use "Lemon Wood" from ( http://www.modellingtimbers.co.uk/index2.html ) the owner is Keith Jewel and he is a most obliging person. He has selected woods of different shades so that I get a realistic look of a ships deck. I cannot reccomend him highly enough. Check him out and say I said!
I have not used genuine Teak as I cannot get the right shades of colour for 1:72 scale look.
I am going to track "titebond" down and check it out.
I do not come from the U.K. and find that there is a whole new world of materials available and the ones I am used to are not available.
Another frustrating thing is I live in Aberdeen and you cannot buy a lot of material directly from shops. (They simply do not stock it and say to me, "Get it on the Internet".)
Is that your Bismarck on the German site?
http://forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php?topic=3865
Regards
Phil.
R/S digital. I appreciate your concern.
I have been using two types of glue. I have been using Cascamite on all areas that need a true marine application.
I am using Weatherproof pva's on the deck. I have used them in the past with no ill effects so far. I like them because they do not stain the wood.The reasons have mainly been to eliminate staining on the timbers as they are carefully planed and sanded after fitting and the sign of glue smeared on wood is not acceptable. These are then sealed with a clear weatherproof hard wearing polyurethane, that has been thinnned down so it soaks right in. There are a number of coats given.
The idea is that the finished look of the timber has no signs of paints/varnish of any kind.
I have a decking down on a 1:72 Hood and that has been there for 12 years now and still growing strong.
I use "Lemon Wood" from ( http://www.modellingtimbers.co.uk/index2.html ) the owner is Keith Jewel and he is a most obliging person. He has selected woods of different shades so that I get a realistic look of a ships deck. I cannot reccomend him highly enough. Check him out and say I said!
I have not used genuine Teak as I cannot get the right shades of colour for 1:72 scale look.
I am going to track "titebond" down and check it out.
I do not come from the U.K. and find that there is a whole new world of materials available and the ones I am used to are not available.
Another frustrating thing is I live in Aberdeen and you cannot buy a lot of material directly from shops. (They simply do not stock it and say to me, "Get it on the Internet".)
Is that your Bismarck on the German site?
http://forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php?topic=3865
Regards
Phil.
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Re: 1/72 Bismarck
hi phil
is there any chance that you and bismarck will make an apperance at this years kingsbury navy day? sunday 6th july 08.
gary
is there any chance that you and bismarck will make an apperance at this years kingsbury navy day? sunday 6th july 08.
gary
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Kiwimedic
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Re: 1/72 Bismarck
Gary
I am afraid not.
Next year for a splash?
Not sure when but a good friend has given me a date to go for.
He mentors me when I get in a rut.
You will know when because there will be a bit of a media black out when the time is near.
I am a member of a modelling group and they will probably be present.
That is a long way away anyway ................ I have screwed up some of the superstructure so that makes for more difficulty.
I have purchased some Titebond and will give it a crack.
Regards
Philip.
I am afraid not.
Next year for a splash?
Not sure when but a good friend has given me a date to go for.
He mentors me when I get in a rut.
You will know when because there will be a bit of a media black out when the time is near.
I am a member of a modelling group and they will probably be present.
That is a long way away anyway ................ I have screwed up some of the superstructure so that makes for more difficulty.
I have purchased some Titebond and will give it a crack.
Regards
Philip.
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bismarck builder
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Re: 1/72 Bismarck
hi phile
keep on truckin i will post pictures of kingsbury
gary
keep on truckin i will post pictures of kingsbury
gary
a bad day sailing is better than a good day at the office
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Kiwimedic
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Re: 1/72 Bismarck
Hi All
I thought I should show some progress shots. I am on the decking at the moment.
Doing fittings and the superstructure at the same time.
I thought I should show some progress shots. I am on the decking at the moment.
Doing fittings and the superstructure at the same time.
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Re: 1/72 Bismarck
I love that decking. All that work in very impressive. And to think that I am having issues just planking the fo'csle of my 1/72 corvette.
James W.
Dry docked:
1/72 HMCS Assiniboine DDE 234-1960
1/72 HMCS Ottawa DDE 229-1960
1/72 HMCS St. Catharines-River Class Frigate-1944
On the slipway:
1/72 HMCS Camrose-Flower Class Corvette-1943
1/72 HMCS Trillium-Flower Class Corvette-1942
Dry docked:
1/72 HMCS Assiniboine DDE 234-1960
1/72 HMCS Ottawa DDE 229-1960
1/72 HMCS St. Catharines-River Class Frigate-1944
On the slipway:
1/72 HMCS Camrose-Flower Class Corvette-1943
1/72 HMCS Trillium-Flower Class Corvette-1942
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bismarck builder
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Re: 1/72 Bismarck
hi
stunning
luv the idea of a book
gary
stunning
luv the idea of a book
gary
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Reid
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Re: 1/72 Bismarck
WOW!!!! it is sooo beautiful!!
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Kiwimedic
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Re: 1/72 Bismarck
Hi All
Yes!
I am afraid the deck planking takes some time.
Joggling/cutting the planks into the margins has involved making a couple of specialised tools. (Very simple stuff)
I needed these tools to keep everything uniform.
It is slow and sometimes exasperating. You can only get a few lines of planking a day.
Clamping takes a bit of creativity.
The effect is truly worth the heartache.
I am about half way along the ship and that is about 4 months.
I work in the oil industry so half of that time is spent offshore.
Book!! ............... I have enough trouble writing love letters and doing a time sheet!
Ingura! I will dust off the stool for you.
The planking you see is of course in the "rough". It will get planed down to height and shape after
it is laid down. Accidental spillages could ruin the finish so I will leave it rough.
When it is planed and sanded at the end and it will look really stunning.
You will notice that even though the planks are set out in a five pattern the joins are not always dead straight.
This reflects how the decks on most warships were.
Regards
Philip
Yes!
I am afraid the deck planking takes some time.
Joggling/cutting the planks into the margins has involved making a couple of specialised tools. (Very simple stuff)
I needed these tools to keep everything uniform.
It is slow and sometimes exasperating. You can only get a few lines of planking a day.
Clamping takes a bit of creativity.
The effect is truly worth the heartache.
I am about half way along the ship and that is about 4 months.
I work in the oil industry so half of that time is spent offshore.
Book!! ............... I have enough trouble writing love letters and doing a time sheet!
Ingura! I will dust off the stool for you.
The planking you see is of course in the "rough". It will get planed down to height and shape after
it is laid down. Accidental spillages could ruin the finish so I will leave it rough.
When it is planed and sanded at the end and it will look really stunning.
You will notice that even though the planks are set out in a five pattern the joins are not always dead straight.
This reflects how the decks on most warships were.
Regards
Philip
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jep1210
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Re: 1/72 Bismarck
WOW! I have just found this post. Fantastic details. I'd love to see it in person.
J.P.
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Re: 1/72 Bismarck
So what'd you think of completion time, a couple of weeks maybe 
seriously though, that's going to take a whole lot of paint, will you be keeping a record of material you're going to use in building this beast ? I know its totally different, however I remember one model show where they had this oil tanker, so large that someone was sitting inside it. Will this Bismark be a full R/C unmanned ship ?
seriously though, that's going to take a whole lot of paint, will you be keeping a record of material you're going to use in building this beast ? I know its totally different, however I remember one model show where they had this oil tanker, so large that someone was sitting inside it. Will this Bismark be a full R/C unmanned ship ?