Calling all MN Richelieu & Jean Bart fans

[chuck]

a question about blast bags,under the raised part is a metal door that swings down.i was wondering if j.b always used the bags or did thay sometimes just close the door. heres 2 pics one bags one door. i now its to differant ships but you never know

The doors are only used when the ship is in mothball. Whenever the ship is in service and the guns can be called on to elevate and fire, and be exposed to spray while doing these, they would have blast bags fitted.

[russclark]

thanks chuck, i guess i will have to try to make some of blast bags for jean bart.,just about finished her,been trying to stay away from the blast bags as they scare me, turrants are finished except for them.

[phil]

I wonder if somebody could give me some advice about the 1943 camo scheme please. Specifically, what colour/shade of grey was the darker part of the hull? And were there only 2 colours used on the hull?
Also, I wonder if anyone could enlighten me as to just what the date is for the camo scheme in the Heller 1/400 kit?
phil

[peppe]

according to the polish book of maciej sobanski on richelieu class ed. okreti wojenne :
_ttp://www.okretywojenne.pl/ow/katalog/?aid=17&ctid=78
the color are in the caption of the illustration attached (i dont speak the polish )
ciao peppe

[WI_Chris]

according to the polish book of maciej sobanski on richelieu class ed. okreti wojenne :
_ttp://www.okretywojenne.pl/ow/katalog/?aid=17&ctid=78
the color are in the caption of the illustration attached (i dont speak the polish )
ciao peppe

Perhaps I'm going color blind, but I can only see three colors here. 20-b decks, Haze grey and what is supposed to be navy blue, but looks dark grey (to me) for the camo. Where is the light grey?
One way or another, I saved this pic for reference.

[WI_Chris]

Camo question.
What were the colours of the 1943-1944 camo scheme. Is the dark colour on the hull navy blue, or is it a grey? Phil

Richelieu after refit was repainted with a"measure 32", colours were Navy Blue, Haze gray and Light gray for vertical surfaces and Deck Blue for horizontal surfaces

cheers

Gilbert

MS. 32 is navy blue, light grey, and ocean grey... not haze grey.
deck blue and ocean grey on decks.
Was Rich. given leeway on this?
as again, I only see two colors on her.

[Gilbert]

MS. 32 is navy blue, light grey, and ocean grey... not haze grey.
deck blue and ocean grey on decks.
Was Rich. given leeway on this?
as again, I only see two colors on her.

Well, according to Ship Naval Camouflage website, Measure 32 is as follows :

Vertical Surfaces:

Paint all exposed vertical surfaces a pattern of:

Light Gray 5-L.
Ocean Gray 5-O.
Black

Horizontal Surfaces:

Paint all decks and horizontal surfaces a pattern of:

Deck Blue, 20-B.
Ocean Gray 5-O.

Richelieu camouflage pattern has been said to be in Ms 32, according to Robert Dumas in his book "Le Cuirass� Richelieu" but the colours were not all of Ms 32, as they included Haze Grey and Navy Blue. Anyway, it was a very unique pattern and Brooklyn Yard "interpreted" the rules for a foreign ship.

cheers

Gilbert

[Gilbert]

as again, I only see two colors on her.

Here is a camo drawing of her starboard side (I don't have the port side unfortunately)

Hope this helps

Gilbert

[WI_Chris]

as again, I only see two colors on her.

Here is a camo drawing of her starboard side (I don't have the port side unfortunately)

camo110.jpg

Hope this helps

Gilbert

thank Gilbert, it does help a bit, but I still only see two colors really. Light grey for the overall and then navy blue. There is the odd "overspray" looking parts of the camo, but to me they just look like faded-out navy blue.

also, I think I misquoted the Ms.32 above. sorry. you were very correct on that.

What time period had the dark grey camo, as shown by the trumpeter on their paint chart?

[Gilbert]

thank Gilbert, it does help a bit, but I still only see two colors really. Light grey for the overall and then navy blue. There is the odd "overspray" looking parts of the camo, but to me they just look like faded-out navy blue.


What time period had the dark grey camo, as shown by the trumpeter on their paint chart?

Hi "Model citizen",

if you zoom on the camo drawing, you will better see the intermediate colour (Haze Grey) next to the navy blue. On the other hand, please forget about the Trumpeter paint chart which is wrong with the colours and with the pattern. They have mirrorred the port pattern assuming the starboard one was identical, which is totally wrong. Once again, Richelieu had a very unique camouflage with two distinct patterns.

Trying not to get you confused, I have found a model still in progress but showing clearly both sides.

I hope this will help you. Please don't hesitate to ask if you need more information. If I can, I will try to help you.

cheers

Gilbert

[WI_Chris]

Thanks Gilbert,
ok... is the area where it looks "misted or faded" the haze grey? Sorry for all the trouble. Paint issues are my biggest thing.

Chris

[Gilbert]

Yes Chris, and the problem is, if you want to depict the "mist" scheme quite accurately, you have to use an airbrush with Haze grey over the related Navy blue areas to give the effect.

cheers

Gilbert

PS - don't forget the two "false waves" in off-white

[WI_Chris]

Thanks GIlbert! I don't usually use an airbursh for my ships, so I might have to fudge it a bit.

Chris

[WI_Chris]

alright, another question. (as you might notice, I've pulled my Richelieu from the stash.) tonight I worked the turrets almost to completion, brass barrels and all. My question is this: What are the little AA guns on the sides of th turrets? Are they just 20mm oerlikons without the shields? thanks guys.

Chris

[Gilbert]

alright, another question. (as you might notice, I've pulled my Richelieu from the stash.) tonight I worked the turrets almost to completion, brass barrels and all. My question is this: What are the little AA guns on the sides of th turrets? Are they just 20mm oerlikons without the shields? thanks guys.

Chris

Chris, these little guns are not AA guns but 90 mm Mle 1935. They were use for instruction and practise.

cheers

Gilbert

[Caravellarella]

Dear Boys & Girls, here are some pictures of the Jean Bart prior to her miraculous escape to Casablanca on 19th June 1940......

Jean Bart (ii), Forme Caquot - L'�vasion du Jean Bart by Vice-Amiral Ronarc'h.

Jean Bart (iii), Forme Caquot - L'�vasion du Jean Bart by Vice-Amiral Ronarc'h.

Jean Bart (xviii), Forme Caquot - L'�vasion du Jean Bart by Vice-Amiral Ronarc'h.

These images from early March 1940 show the Jean Bart as constructed in the shallow portion of the Forme Caquot. She is awaiting "launching" by being floated sideways or "translated" across the Forme Caquot to the deeper part of this dock where she will be fitted out. The Gascogne was due to be laid down in the shallow part as soon as the Jean Bart had been moved across.

Want to see more like this?

Terry (Caravellarella)

[Gilbert]

Hello Terry,

Thanks for the pictures. And, yes, some more please

Cheers

Gilbert

[Caravellarella]

Thanks Gilbert; do mean like this......

Jean Bart (x), Forme Caquot, � unknown.

The Jean Bart awaiting her launch in the shallow side of the Forme Caquot......

Jean Bart (iv), Forme Caquot - L'�vasion du Jean Bart by Vice-Amiral Ronarc'h.

Jean Bart (v), Forme Caquot - L'�vasion du Jean Bart by Vice-Amiral Ronarc'h.

The 6th March 1940; the Jean Bart is now afloat in the flooded Forme Caquot and is being pulled to port, sideways to moor alongside the Quai du Sas in the deeper part of the dock for fitting out......

Would make a FAB diorama; d'accord? Want to see some more?

Terry (Caravellarella)

[Guest]

I saw this board by accidence.

I'm owner of the RC modelship Jean-Bart (1/100), the building of the ship take 5 years and was complete in 1983. The ships is build from scrape from copy's of the original plans.

[Caravellarella]

Dear Guest, your Jean Bart is FABULOUS! Please join our community and share more pictures of your models.

Terry (Caravellarella)