YTL-710 in 1:10

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Re: YTL-710 in 1:10

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pat the build is looking great.......question sir.....where did you get the motor??....joe :thumbs_up_1:
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Re: YTL-710 in 1:10

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Thanks!
"Old stock", originally from Harbor Models...
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Prop tube

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Time to lock in the prop tube.

First, I daubed a little 5 minute epoxy around the exit, from the outside... just to seal things up. Then, tilt the boat, and pour 5 oz of resin into the hollow skeg, totally trapping the tube. A bit of overkill maybe, but solid! Literally.

The forward end is trapped in a horseshoe collar, but not glued... any thermal expansion in this long brass tube between winter and summer will be accommodated.

Oh, and we have a rudder footing now, looks just like the real one! I'll actually reinforce it with glass, though just like the real one, you won't be able to stand the boat on it! It's not removable, because I don't like screws and water leak paths into the deadwood... I'll use one of my removable PatMat rudder pintles (Pat Pend, all rights, etc etc) to allow for rudder service.
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One way to do it.<br />BTW, the postage scale is a neat way to measure out small batches of epoxy resin/hardener.
One way to do it.
BTW, the postage scale is a neat way to measure out small batches of epoxy resin/hardener.
Poured resin into the hole until all filled up. Horseshoe collar forward.
Poured resin into the hole until all filled up. Horseshoe collar forward.
Rudder footing will accept an Oilite flanged bearing. Not necessary, but cool...
Rudder footing will accept an Oilite flanged bearing. Not necessary, but cool...
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Re: YTL-710 in 1:10

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wonderful model you show us here , Pat ! :thumbs_up_1:

Thanks for sharing

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Rudder

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So here are the details of my removable PatMat rudder pintle (Pat Pend, all rights, etc etc).
The idea is to make the rudder removable without needing to remove the footing or to bend and twist things out of the way, while preserving a true piloted pintle in the footing.

First, make a tubular "skeleton" to go inside the rudder. The vertical tube will accept the rudder shaft, and side tubes transmit torque to the body of the rudder (silver solder these on, and NEVER depend on just glue to connect the vertical tube to the rudder). At the top is a collar with a stainless set screw to lock onto the rudder shaft.

The rudder shaft has a large diameter section to go through the fixed rudder tube above, and a long small diameter "pin" to go through the "skeleton" and pilot into the footing. The pin can be small, as it transmits no torque. The assembly is silver soldered, and flats are cut into the upper section for seating the set screws.

The skeleton is buried inside the body of the wooden rudder, which in turn is shaped and then sealed with fiberglass.

The fixed rudder tube in the hull can be anything, but here I made a part that looks like the flanged unit on the real boat... to give you an idea of the scale, it's turned from 3/4" stock! (PVC bar stock).
The rudder parts are loosely assembled to hull and footing, and then the rudder tube is epoxied into the hull, giving perfect alignment.

I don't care for most commercial steering arms (tillers), so one was silver soldered up from brass. It too will take a stainless set screw, and will be drilled as needed later for the push rod linkage.
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Rudder innards
Brass steering arm
Brass steering arm
Rudder assembly in place
Rudder assembly in place
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Ballast

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Ballasting will be a question for a while... again, I expect 59 lbs total displacement, but I'm not sure what the light boat will weigh, so I can't predict the ballast exactly. On top of that, this model won't fit in my bath, the water outside is hard, and I'm not planning on building a dedicated float tank! So I did my sums as best as possible, looking at displacement volumes section by section, estimated weights and moments about the CG, and then allowed for extra trimming ability. Knowing the density of lead (0.41 lbs/in3) and a spheroidal packing efficiency of about 70%, I can predict how much ballast volume is needed and where.
Translate that into lengths of PVC pipe, and I get a set of 1-1/2" ballast tubes- similar to what I first used in my 1:144 Yamato for easily removable ballast:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthre ... ost6944430

To locate them repeatably, chocks were built at several frames. Not as elegant as the "ballast cabinets" in my Dearborn tug:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthre ... ost9565724
but then that model is lighter and doesn't need ballast "removability"... and it's a darn sight nicer than bags of shot tossed in the bilges!

This pretty much concludes the interior construction portion of the show... I'll glue those chocks in and varnish the insides, then it's on to the deck, bulwarks, and glassing the outside.
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PVC pipe ballast tubes loosely in place
PVC pipe ballast tubes loosely in place
Chocks for ballast tubes
Chocks for ballast tubes
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Re: YTL-710 in 1:10

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ok, one more little detail... if you install platforms in the bottom for your hardware, add little pieces on the sides to catch the little screws and things which are otherwise magnetically attracted to inaccessible regions...
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Re: YTL-710 in 1:10

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Pat she is really taking shape there. I really like the PVC tube idea for ballst tanks as they nestle nicely in the hull.
I would like to know what you are going to use to finish off the outside of the hull? What type of resin and matt etc...
Thanks.....Greg Knipp
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Re: YTL-710 in 1:10

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Thanks Greg.
Outside- my usual, epoxy plus one or two layers of 2 oz cloth.
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Deck

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Let the decking begin!

Actually, a pretty simple task, using 1/8" ply. But avoid any temptation to deck the whole boat at once, even if your sheet of ply could cover everything... camber and sheer will conspire to foil such an attempt. In the first shot, two strips of ply have been laid down-- the small pieces make the fitting job a lot easier. Also, each piece is trimmed back 1/16" from the side to form a rabbet which will accept the bulwarks, to be made of 1/16" ply. Blessedly, the bulwarks on this boat are everywhere vertical, not inward leaning which so greatly complicates things.

But first I'll cover the ply deck with resin (no glass needed over ply...), and sand that smooth to be my steel deck. I was thinking of "plating" the deck with sheet styrene, but the resin coated wood will be a stronger substrate to glue the bulwark supports to.

Then I'll lay in the bulwarks and their supports, followed by glass on the outside which will reinforce the bulwarks to the hull. Can't wait.
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First bit of decking.
First bit of decking.
All decked out. You can just see the &quot;rabbet&quot; around the edge.
All decked out. You can just see the "rabbet" around the edge.
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Yikes!

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OK, I knew this was a LARGE scale model... but while waiting for the first coat of resin to dry on the new deck, I sat down and listed all the bits and pieces needed as details. Not so many, because it's just a little tug... but BIG!
  • Cowl vents are 1 inch across
  • Wood ship's wheel is 3.6" on the rim, 4.4" across the spokes
  • Life rings are 3" OD
  • Deck cleats are 1.6" across the horns
  • Nav light lenses are 1/2" OD x 5/8" high
  • and it goes on...
Still, I'll take that over 28 sets of triple 25mm AA emplacements any day...
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Plasti-deck

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OK, I'm fickle... wavered on whether to sheet the deck with styrene, decided to go for it. Entire deck is covered with 0.010" styrene, as are the bulwarks inside. Obvious advantage of not needing to seal/sand a lot of wood for a "steel" look, though I did put a coat of epoxy on the ply deck first. The sheets are glued on with beads of CA laid over the scale deck beam positions. The glue's thickness telegraphs through the plastic, so this way it looks ok. Also, after being out in the sun, the deck will take on a scale "oil canning" look, works great.

The bulwarks are made from 1/16" ply, except around the stern where two layers of 1/32" let me get around the curve. On the real boat, only 12" high forward and 5" aft, or 1.2" and 0.5" in 1:10. The ply fits nicely into the rabbet at deck's edge, and the assembly is very strong even before applying the bulwark braces. Braces are also styrene for a clean paintable finish.
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First layer of bulwark ply going into the rabbet.
First layer of bulwark ply going into the rabbet.
Foreward bulwarks, all lined with styrene.
Foreward bulwarks, all lined with styrene.
All bulwarks and most braces in place.
All bulwarks and most braces in place.
Close-up of the braces. A cap rail will go on later.
Close-up of the braces. A cap rail will go on later.
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Re: YTL-710 in 1:10

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Sheesh.. u are going so fast every time i check the forum there is a new page!! i got a small portion my deck layed on my ship in the time it took u to do all that :puppy_eyes: :puppy_eyes:
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Re: YTL-710 in 1:10

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Looking good Pat. Dropped mine off at the Lake Pontchartrain Basin Maritime Museum. Great Museum and getting better.

http://www.lpbmaritimemuseum.org/
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'Glass

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Thanks all, and congrats on that, Rmay.

Time to put on the fiberglass.
I did a once over the hull, sanded a few details etc., then cut out a piece of glass to fit one side. Books have been written on glassing (I know, I wrote one... :cool_1: ), so I won't belabor it here. Position the glass and daub on 5 ounces of epoxy... while waiting for that to set enough to trim, I think I'll have lunch... and maybe back to the drawing board, need to figure out how I'm going to build the ship's wheel and a few other details...
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Size a piece of glass...
Size a piece of glass...
and add a bunch of resin.
and add a bunch of resin.
I love the way the glass disappears into the wet resin. I have some sanding in my future...
I love the way the glass disappears into the wet resin. I have some sanding in my future...
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Re: YTL-710 in 1:10

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I needed a break from sanding my fresh 'glass, so started on the ship's wheel. The rim is easy... need to turn the spokes and fabricate a hub... and a steering stand and binnacle...
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Starting the wheel...
Starting the wheel...
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Mission Accomplished

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And I now declare and end to major dust making operations.
Doesn't mean I don't have a lot more other stuff to do for a while!

OK, it may seem like nothing much has been happening for a while... but I've put on and sanded 2 coats of glass, eating up several sheets of sandpaper, destroyed my shop due to the dust, vacuumed every square inch of surface area as a consequence, and now have moved on to rub rails.
I wish I could have sanded outside, but that below zero stuff put the kibosh on that idea. I did use a face mask, but my jitterbug sander is totally unapologetic about spewing the dust in every imaginable direction... sort of like a vacuum cleaner exploded inside the shop!
So after the sanding and then making the rub rails (1/2" half-rounds, which involved a new router table and some table saw work), I stood down and washed up. Took half the day. Tomorrow, I bend rails onto hull! Then prime, sand, fill, prime again, etc etc.
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Looks the same! But now has 2 coats of glass. Half round stock for the rub rails is on deck, some 36 feet of it (including two sticks soaking in the ammonia tube).
Looks the same! But now has 2 coats of glass. Half round stock for the rub rails is on deck, some 36 feet of it (including two sticks soaking in the ammonia tube).
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Re: YTL-710 in 1:10

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They all seem to look the same, till you put on some paint, you will see a big difference between a good job and a bad one, keep up the good work, :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :wave_1:
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Re: YTL-710 in 1:10

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Hi, I'm new here and this topic convinced me to become a forum member. Congratulations, the build quality of your hull is superb!

Some might know me from other model forums where I use the same name and i seem to recognise some names here too, so hello to everyone!
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Bumpers and rails

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The tug has rub rails made from split 4" pipe (about 5" OD), so I used the router table to round over the edges of a 1/2" board, ripped those off on the table saw, soaked them in ammonia, and bent them to the hull. These are big pieces of lumber, and that's no easy task! That's why I haven't come up for air for a while...

They're pinned to the frames with 2mm dowels and a few bottles of CA. A little more work before I seal them up, and then it will be on to the first coats of primer.

But also need to put the cap rails on the bulwarks. These will be built up from thin strips and then sanded and sealed.
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1/2&quot; half round rail, bent and dried, now being pinned to the hull.
1/2" half round rail, bent and dried, now being pinned to the hull.
All the rails in place
All the rails in place
Building the cap rail, strip by strip (needed 40 feet of this 1/16&quot; x 1/8&quot; stock)
Building the cap rail, strip by strip (needed 40 feet of this 1/16" x 1/8" stock)
Thin cap rail strips can follow all the curves.
Thin cap rail strips can follow all the curves.
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