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Well, the Gator masks have recently been updated for the 1/700 Hornet and, I'm sure Kenny has fixed the 1/350th as well.
There is a 1/350 Hornet build up here that I've been using (loosely) for inspriation on my 1/700. Think it's in the gallery. He used alot of the various detail sets, WEM, GMM, etc.
Personally, I'd go wth the WEM sets for it

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On the Bench:
1/720 Italeri CVN-68 ca 1976/77
1/800 ARii 1/800 CV-59 backdating to 1961 (CVA-59)
1/700Trumpy USS Hornet CV-8 "Doolittle Raiders"

Thanks!
And good to hear. Since I´ve already ordered those thing, it seems that I made the right choice. Now I just have to make a decision about the Nautilus wooden deck, and maybe some more etch, even if I´ll probably won´t need it. I sure wish there was a corrected hull available. I would probably buy it, even if it was pricey. Time is money.
What about litterature? Since I was thinking of detailing the hangar as far as my skills permit, some hangar pictures would come in handy.

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I think the guy's name is Ken Summa who built the 1/350th I spoke of. I'm not at home so, don't have my references or, the link to the build. He did the hangar deck which I think was well done. Look in the Gallery. As for Hangar deck shots, I haven't found many of them. Check out the Hornet's sisters and you'll probably find some decent shots.

EDIT:
Ken Summa did the build here http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/cv/cv-08/350-ks/buildup-ken-summa.html

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On the Bench:
1/720 Italeri CVN-68 ca 1976/77
1/800 ARii 1/800 CV-59 backdating to 1961 (CVA-59)
1/700Trumpy USS Hornet CV-8 "Doolittle Raiders"

I'm building my 1/350 Hornet to depict the photo I'm sure most have seen showing the 5 F4F's at the bow with that elevator down and the B-25's in a row just aft of this same elevator.Does anyone know where I can get pictures of hanger details that one can see when this elevator is down? Thanks for any help.

Jake Hernandez

Where can I get my hands on this "huge blueprint book" of the Hornet? Sounds like something I just have to have.

Jake Hernandez

From the Maryland Silver Company:

http://www.marylandsilver.com/new_page_17.htm

Bob

Jake,

Where can I get a copy of the photo with the 5 F4Fs? I know I say it on the WEB a few weeks ago, but can't find where I saw it. I am planning my build of the Hornet during the Doolittle Raid and thought that picture would be a good one to use for the aircraft arrangement.

Frank

Where can I get a copy of the photo with the 5 F4Fs? I know I say it on the WEB a few weeks ago, but can't find where I saw it. I am planning my build of the Hornet during the Doolittle Raid and thought that picture would be a good one to use for the aircraft arrangement.

Frank


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Hello Frank,

The photos I found are in the book "WARSHIP PICTORIAL #9/YORKTOWN CLASS CARRIERS" (page 54 & 55). I dont remember seeing the photo with the 5 F4F's on the WEB but at WWW.MARITIMEQUEST.COM you'll find all the photos of the HORNET that you may ever need. Happy modeling, Jake

The Nautilus wooden deck is pretty to look at but its a shame that they did not take the time to make it correctly.There are not enough plank lines,tiedown lines or wind break slats.I wish I would have paid more attn before I spent the money.

Jake

Jake,

Thanks for your reply. I had found the MariTime Quest site you mentioned and you are correct; great pictures of the Hornet. Seem's I will need to get a copy of the Warships Pictorial #9. Oh well, got to keep the economy rolling.

Frank

Does the blueprint book show plans for the braces and girders under the flight deck?

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I'd like to know the answer to that question too before I mail away for it,but if it helps,the same Warship Pictorial #9 book mentioned above has a great shot of the Hornets hanger looking aft at a slightly upwards angle and shows enough of the braces and girders to know what they looked like for most of its length. It also gives a good shot of the structure thats just below the flight decks superstructure/island.In the distance you can even see the opening in the ceiling for the middle elevator and the opening for the aft elevator.Actually anyone builing any of the Yorktown class should have this book. Jake

What colors should be used for the Hornet's Measure 12 (modified) scheme used during the Doolittle raid? Are the two colors for the hull different that the colors used on the island?

Should the interior of the hanger deck be flat white/buff/something else? Should the deck and bulkheads be the same color?

Also, how accurate are the Trumpeter 1/350 color drawings as far as the shapes of the Measure 12 mod) patterns for the two sides of the Hornet?

Mike,

Where is the "Island Rebuild" thread you are referencing?

The three vertical colors used on Hornet are Navy Blue 5-N on the lower hull and Ocean Gray 5-O on the upper hull. The island is Ocean Gray 5-O and Haze Gray 5-H, which is the lighter shade. Metal weather decks were Deck Blue 20-B except the flight deck, which was Norfolk 250-N Blue Flight Deck Stain (a similar shade). Interior of the hangar should be white vertical and overhead surfaces and Deck Gray #20 decks up the the threshold of the exterior openings. Deck Gray #20 was a neutral gray, all the exterior camo grays are actually blue-grays.

The Trumpeter color drawings are not accurate. Good photos, including color, are readily available on the internet, The Trumpeter hull is not accurate. Read this thread from the start. The Trumpeter kit is not accurate. Get the picture?!

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Mike

Mike,

Thank you for the listings of the colors. From photos I have seen, it looked as though the island was a different color combination.

I know there are limitations to the Trumpeter kit, but I was asked by a friend (whose father served on the Hornet) to build the kit for him, so I wanted to get at least the colors correct. Since I am not planning to enter this into any competitions, I can put up with a model that is not totally accurate.

Do you know if the masks that are made by Gator's masks are any good or would the best bet be to get photos from the internat and draw my own masks?

Frank

Frank, I do believe Kenny updated the 1/350 masks when he updated the 1/700 ones which I have in my posession. You can't go wrong with getting the Gator masks.

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On the Bench:
1/720 Italeri CVN-68 ca 1976/77
1/800 ARii 1/800 CV-59 backdating to 1961 (CVA-59)
1/700Trumpy USS Hornet CV-8 "Doolittle Raiders"

Frank, I know the effect. It is an optical trick that the eyes play when the lighter color in a pair of colors becomes the darker one, but if you isolate the 5-O on the hull and the island, you will see they are really the same. Did your friend have any photos of Hornet from his dad? Always on the look-out! Are you building waterline or full hull? You can minimize the impact hull inaccuracies on a WL model a bit better. Let us know how she turns out. The hull I have been trying to bring into line by filling with resin and grinding down to shape did a full melt down. The Trumpy plastic just started bubbling up and softening. Bad reaction somewhere...its a goner. I have several more kits in the stash. I think I may have to scratch build a hull, and if I have to go that route, I might do it much bigger than 1/350. Searching for proper aircraft in bigger scales now. 1/144 looks promising for detailed naval aircraft, but the only B-25 is a J/H by Minicraft, and it is atrocious! Or, I can get busy on my Revell kits and do the whole class in several rigs each. Again, good aircraft are the issue, but easier to coble up in 1/487 scale. I have some 1/500 White Ensign ones that will work. (John, if your listening MAKE MORE!!!!)

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Mike

The thread this refers to was from the summer of 2007, and has been relocated on this website. It can be found here.

With the input of others, this is a consolidation of all I could find about correcting Trumpeter's 1/350 island. It touches on hull and hangar corrections as well. Hope you find it useful.

My Hornet build has been languishing in the box for too long. I finally picked up a WEM CXAM and Paperlab searchlights for it, so maybe its time to get back to work.

Mike

The Maryland Silver plan book provides a crap load of details - some of which you'd maybe rather not know since it will drive you nuts trying to model it. It does show the braces just about everywhere. BUT. You still need the photos because the ship did not look exactly like the plans (in some areas anyway) for very long after it was launched. As you leaf back through these pages of responses, you'll see what I mean about the mods. Unfortunately, you'll often find there are no photos of exactly the spot you need, so the plans are as good as anything as a point from which to diverge. The MS plans were worth the money to me. Equally as worthwhile to my (on-going) HORNET project are the words and photos of Mike Sills and Mike Vorrasi. You'll never get it perfect, but most of what you'll need is here.

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