Calling all IJN Fuso (扶桑) and Yamashiro (山城) fans

[MartinJQuinn]

In an effort to keep these CASF threads manageable, we've been splitting WIP and completed models out of the threads and into the appropriate Picture Post forum when needed. As a result, Jose's beautiful Yamashiro and Fuso have been moved here.

[Caravellarella]

Dear Boys & Girls, have any of you ever tried back-dating a Fuso or a Yamashiro kit back to the earlier twin-funnel configurations? I understand the differences involved, but I can't visualise (for my own part) how one would approach such a conversion......

Terry (Caravellarella)

[Atma]

Well its been a while since I have posted.
Just observing, anyway just cast aside your doubt about the new Fuso and Yamashiro from Aoshima, those two pearls rocks !
Better than Ise class from Haseqawa, and the (old by modern standars) Yamato's from Tamiya and (newer and better than Tamiya) Fujimis underestimated Yamato's too.
Cant say something about the new Kongo from Fujimi as I havent see them yet.
And Caravellarella there was some limited editon 2 or 3 years ago from Skywave in resin an over price 1934 Fuso.

[Caravellarella]

Dear Boys & Girls, I want to make this......

Fuso (i): � unknown.

Would any of you consider that the original tooling of the Aoshima 1/700 Fuso or Yamashiro kit is better suited for heavy-duty conversion work than the later retooled kits?

Terry (Caravellarella)

[G. Shoda]

Caravellarella:

Sorry, I don't have the 2 Aoshima kits. But I did build a 1/700 Fuso a long time ago, so I dragged it out of storage to have a look at it. I also have Model Art 24, which deals with building the Yamashiro & Fuso as they looked at different time periods, including 1915. Looks to me that modifying the old Aoshima kit is doable with heavy sanding to remove blisters and to shorten the stern (Breyer says the stern was lengthened 7.6 meters and the width increase by more than 4 meters. However, the fore and after bridge structures are much simplified and ideal for scratch building. Good luck on your project!

[J. Soca]

Terry , the old toolings are rather crude compare to the new ones if you want considerable amounts of details you'd d have to go for the new ones but since you want to model Yamashiro at a very peculiar time plenty of scratchbuild work will be involved and therefore buying the new tooling will be a waste. you could buy the old one they go cheap nowadays. There is something else i'm sure i saw this on the scratchbuild section a while back i tried to find it now but i couldn't there was some1 who was scratchbuilding i believe Fuso in a 1/350 scale around the same time frame you want to scratchbuild yours. if you could find who the guy is he might stretch out a hand and give you a couple of pointers this might help you alot.

Jose

[Caravellarella]

Thank you Jose. I cannot find the thread you mention. I have the Anatomy of the Ship title which is truly lovely and most inspirational. I wonder, though, what were the actual physical external differences between the 2 sisterships at this stage in their careers......

Terry (Caravellarella)

[Timmy C]

I think this is the thread that Jose mentioned:
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=38825

[Caravellarella]

Dear Timmy C thank you for this. You've been very helpful; now I want to scratchbuild one too in 1/350......

Terry (Caravellarella)

[J. Soca]

I think this is the thread that Jose mentioned:
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=38825

That's the one Timmy thanks for looking it up



Jose

[Caravellarella]

Dear Boys & Girls, I want to make this......

Yamashiro (i); � unknown.

Would any of you know of any differences between Fuso and Yamashiro as built, except for the obvious please?

Fuso - small conning tower, B barbette is separate from the forward superstructure.
Yamashiro - larger conning tower, B barbette is integrated into the forward superstructure, tripod foremast is 1 metre closer to the fore funnel.

I wonder how much of the material in the Anatomy of the Ship title on the Fuso is applicable to the Yamashiro too.


Terry (Caravellarella)

[USS California BB44]

Fujimi's making a 1-350 Fuso!!!
http://www.hlj.com/product/FUJ60005

[J. Soca]

Fujimi's making a 1-350 Fuso!!!
http://www.hlj.com/product/FUJ60005

Since someone brought it up here on this section i'll do my share. there is clearly a bulkhead missing all over that section either the modeler was in a rush to finish the kit on time and missed it or a little screw up from Fujimi? lets start our engines gents

Jose

[Atma]

Wanted to ask if someone can point to me the difference between Fuso and Yamashiro main turrets rooftop and rangefinders. Any pics or diagrams ?
Thanks in advance.


Edit: I know the number two turret different slighty on Fuso from the number 4 and 5 turret all that according to "Anatomy of Ship" book.I have no info for the Yamashiro though and if they whare similar to Fuso's.

[Dan K]

If you go to Google and enter the names, then switch from web to images, you'll find all you need.

Rangefinders design is the same for both. Fuso has rangefinders on #2,4 & 5. Yamashiro has rangefinders on #2,3,4 &5

As mentioned early in this thread, the siting & training of turret #3 is another main point of difference between the two. Yamashiro's is trained so as to face aft; Fuso's forward. Yamashiro's arrangement was considered superior.

[Atma]

Are you sure Fuso didnt have range finder on 3# turret as well ?

Looking at the two completed models I see that Fuso didnt had the rotary intake ventilators on number 2#,3#,4#,5# like Yamashiro by early 1940. Also as noted on the "Anatomy of Ship:Fuso" rangefinder of 2# was slighty different, it didnt had the heat-resistant protection of steel-sheet lagging that was only on 3#,4#, and 5# turret's rangefinders.
Fuso:

and Yamashiro:


Still Aoshima for the Fuso and Yamashiro provides 3 different kind of turrets for the ones with the rangefinders. 2 for Fuso, 1 for number 2# turret and the second kind for 3#,4# and 5# turret. For Yamshiro there is a completely new design and is the same for all the turrets with rangefinder but without rotary intake ventilators on the roof of the gunhouse's. So the above model of Yamashiro -that is from Waveline- Im not sure if it is completely accurate on that matter or even Aoshima's one.

[Dan K]

I could be wrong about the lack of a rangefinder on #3 turret. My photo & reference collection on this class is a little thin. There might be a timeframe involved.

Using models as a reference is something I do as well but, its always good know what references were used for those builds as well. Things can be iffy.

[Atma]

Anyway the only sure thing is that the rangefinder of #2 turret of Fuso was different from that on #3, #4 and #5 cause there was no heat-resistant protection of steel-sheet lagging. Also turret number 2 has its Captain's sighting tower on the roof of the gunhouse and not on in middle of rangefinder as it was in #3, #4 and #5 -all that according to "The Battleship Fuso" by Janusz Skulski-. Unfortunately I dont have any clear pictures or diagrams of Yamashiro's turrets, anyone can help ?
Thanks in advance.

[Atma]

Btw, Aoshima have posted pictures of thier new Fuso in 1938 timeframe, enjoy:

[Atma]

Fujimi have posted some more pictures and the artwork of the new Fuso in 1/350, also I can a nice set of sails in 1/350 and 12 metal guns for the main guns of Fuso.
http://www.fujimimokei.com/prod_syosai/ ... paign=open