1/144 Kiev by Dave Wooley

[Jose Chaica]

Hi Dave

Any news on those "Kiev plans" we�ve talked about some months ago ?

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[Dave Wooley]

Hi Dave

Any news on those "Kiev plans" we�ve talked about some months ago ?

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Hi Jose not finished yet still adding bits as I go. my set of drawings are more a mass of sketches that need to be deciphered and re-drawn . Surprisingly photos still flow is from all over the place and show parts of the vessel { outside} that I didn't know existed. My latest is two shots looking underneath the overhang on the port side and the complex web of struts and pipe work that should be on the model { they are now} I suppose this dilema affects many modellers but the problem is were do you draw the line? Thanks for asking .
Dave Wooley

[Jose Chaica]

I�m very interested in the Kiev. It is one of the options I have to do in 1/72, one of these days....



PS - I would love to see all those photos you have. That is, if they are not protected by copyrights.

[Dave Wooley]

My apologies for the long absence form this board but I�m back with more
on the Kiev build.
Developing the walk ways on Kiev .
Along the walkways either side of Kiev is a considerable amount of fine detail
and tens of life raft containers and their chutes . There are also a large
number of RULs .For now I�ll concentrate on the RULs Once the pattern is
made it takes about 20 minutes to produces all those required . But two or
so hours to embellish with hinges and handles .

Part of the walkway with life raft container and RU lockers temporarily
spaced at intervals .

Making the RULs is relatively straight forward . Each box section for the
RULs is cut to size from Evergreen u section .The remainder from
styrene sheet.

A rather disorderly collection of parts for each locker.

Each part is sorted to construct a number of lockers for the port walkway .

One locker partly assembled

The top of each locker being prepared.

The curve for the top of each RUL is rolled on a length of tubing

The curved shape of the top.

Each RUL has its location as does each chute . Working this out is critical
as the rails weave in and out between RULs and Chutes.

There is much more detailed work to undertake to complete each RUL and more
work on the surrounding area . next developing the life raft chutes .
Dave Wooley good to be back

[gtb -red]

[hornell]

Corrected copy

Hi Dave

This is my first comment to you on this thread. I offer you my sincerest congratulations on a superb model and the effort put into sharing your build is very much appreciated. I seldom use the word AWESOME but it fits here...

Of interest, in 1975 I was serving in the Intelligence Branch of the Canadian Forces, one of our Argus ASW aircraft flew on the Kiev task force ( lead ship Kiev-Kara-K2 and Chilikin oiler ) as it departed the Mediterranean enroute the Northern Fleet. My job was to analyse the photos the Argus took of that mission, believe me there were hundreds of frames printed, an 11 inch handheld Hulcher camera was used ( 70mm negatives ) and the quality was superb. photos taken in early afternoon in perfect weather conditions. Of course it was analyzed in stereo, it took me many days to complete a complete report on the ships, focus primarily on radar and electronics. The now identified VDS in the stern ramp has me baffled for many years.

I am sure you would have been thrilled to see those photos..

Have you considered burning all your Kiev build photos to disc for us " wannabe Woolies " LOL

Cheers

John In Canada

[JIM BAUMANN]

As ever Dave--your persistence and fortitude making all those little boxes is simply amazing!!

Good to see you back here!

JIM B

[Dave Wooley]

Corrected copy

Hi Dave

This is my first comment to you on this thread. I offer you my sincerest congratulations on a superb model and the effort put into sharing your build is very much appreciated. I seldom use the word AWESOME but it fits here...

Of interest, in 1975 I was serving in the Intelligence Branch of the Canadian Forces, one of our Argus ASW aircraft flew on the Kiev task force ( lead ship Kiev-Kara-K2 and Chilikin oiler ) as it departed the Mediterranean enroute the Northern Fleet. My job was to analyse the photos the Argus took of that mission, believe me there were hundreds of frames printed, an 11 inch handheld Hulcher camera was used ( 70mm negatives ) and the quality was superb. photos taken in early afternoon in perfect weather conditions. Of course it was analyzed in stereo, it took me many days to complete a complete report on the ships, focus primarily on radar and electronics. The now identified VDS in the stern ramp has me baffled for many years.

I am sure you would have been thrilled to see those photos..

Have you considered burning all your Kiev build photos to disc for us " wannabe Woolies " LOL

Cheers

John In Canada

Hi John Thanks for you very kind comments . I would have been over the moon to get a view of those intel pictures. I guess in those days there was much about the Kiev that the intel community were interested in. I recall building MOSKVA some years ago with limited information and now there seems so much available on that very unusual ship. As for a disc on the Kiev build , well , I see no reason why not. I've never thought about it as it's on the site . But a more tidy abridged version may be of benefit. Food for thought. As a matter of interest I did compile a complete build sequence of the Moskva which includes drawings , which are quite reasonable . and photos of the full size ship. These have not been shown in their entirety on MW .
Dave Wooley

[Dave Wooley]

As ever Dave--your persistence and fortitude making all those little boxes is simply amazing!!

Good to see you back here!

JIM B

Hi Jim good to be back posting again.

[JIM BAUMANN]

I am probably being thick

but where are these Moskva pics to be found?

>>> These have not been shown in their entirety on MW . <<<


Intrigued

JIM B

[Dave Wooley]

I am probably being thick

but where are these Moskva pics to be found?

>>> These have not been shown in their entirety on MW . <<<


Intrigued

JIM B

Hi Jim Over the past years I have posted odd fragments of the MOSKVA build on MW but not as the comprehensive build sequence which does exist.including the drawings. If there is interest I could post them up but I'm reluctant to over do it so to speak. Good question though
Dave Wooley

[Kiwimedic]

Hi Dave

As ever "The Devil is in the Detail"
Nice little models being applied to the big model to make it into Kiev.
Awsome and inspiring to say the least.
I am looking forward to seeing that tiled Deck?
How many little models do you think you will have made for Kiev when it is finished?

Regards
Phil

[Dave Wooley]

Hi Dave

As ever "The Devil is in the Detail"
Nice little models being applied to the big model to make it into Kiev.
Awsome and inspiring to say the least.
I am looking forward to seeing that tiled Deck?
How many little models do you think you will have made for Kiev when it is finished?

Regards
Phil

Hi Phil Very good question . I guess in theory there is no such thing as a single model ship it's a collection of models combined to produce an end result, a rather clinical interpretation but it reminds me of the old question of "what constitutes an areo plane" answer 20 thousand rivets flying in formation. Each rivit is vital and to the same standard if one failed? For a model ship well I guess every single item should be considered a model and given the same attention. A theory I know you subscribe to with a gusto. The deck sample is being well tested and it is a truly superb piece of PE and my thanks go to Ingura for this
Dave Wooley .

[gtb -red]

Dave your builds are sooooo good at this scale. Just thinking of doing that 1:144 scale Ford class got my head in a spin. I don't man,I look a your Kiev and say to myself : This will make you hate modeling carriers.

[Dave Wooley]

Dave your builds are sooooo good at this scale. Just thinking of doing that 1:144 scale Ford class got my head in a spin. I don't man,I look a your Kiev and say to myself : This will make you hate modeling carriers.

Hi gtb-red Thanks for you comments . It's been said to me on the odd occasion that the word scale is a relative term , as building to a larger scale can in fact become more demanding than say building in scales of 1:250 or 1:144. I wondered about this and realized that the larger the scale the more of the finer detail is exposed and the challenge to include this can become more demanding . So building at 1:50 or even 1:72nd would be excruciatingly difficult for me because there is much that can remain invisible at say 1:144.
Dave Wooley

[Dave Wooley]

As mentioned there are a series of life raft container chutes . All these
were completed some month previous . The task in hand was to make
assemblies of these chutes that would be identical when lined up but, and
more importantly removable for painting. . On Kiev the chutes are operated
electrically on a common link. I�m not aware if the chutes operate in sections
or simultaneously together when discharging the containers. At first and as
an experiment I tried to copy the common link making use of brass wire linking
each of the chutes . Whilst this replicated the principle the chutes were
flimsy and the method impractical. The only way was to rely on strip styrene
{ evergreen] as in this picture . Authentic to the last detail, no, practical yes.



Once again for practical purposes the chutes were set in strips of 4 and can
be seen here assembled on the walkway. These were not fixed into place all
that was needed was to be reassured that the method worked. Not yet in place
is a device, beneath each chute forming part of the mechanism
for operating the chute which can only be added when the chutes are set in place.


The next stage involved preparing the back raised section of the walkway as
this has a series of port holes interspaced with RUL and is fitted separately .
Here the raised back is marked up for the locations of the RULs and the port
holes are marked and drilled out using a small pin vice, an ideal tool for the job.

This raised strip is fitted to the surface with R/C modelers glue { ideally suited
to bond styrene to any other surface}

Next time More detail in and around the walkway. " Whip aerials"
Dave Wooley

[ARH]

Hi Dave, Some brilliant work going on there, to you and I it comes with the flow when were in the grove, but it is hard work and needs concentration, well done.

[Dave Wooley]

Hi Ron Good to hear form you . Its often seems the smaller the pieces the longer it takes to make them ?
Dave Wooley

[Dave Wooley]

Kiev has a number of whip aerials mounted on the edge of the hull forward,
these can be dropped to the horizontal by a small electrically activated
piston arrangement incorporated onto the mounting. First the small platform
that will fit the deck edge on the side of the hull is cut to size and using
a pin vice drilled out on the underside..

Next a short length of brass wire is cut to size and inserted into the underside
of the platform . This is to ensure that the platform has a firm fix into the deck edge.

Using the pin vice a small hole is drilled into the upper edge of the hull . The
pin on the aerial platform is located into the deck edge.

The aerial platform is temporarily fitted in place

Each of the components that make up the �aerial array� are cut to size.

A short length of litho is drilled out. This is folded through 90degrees thus .

The base of the aerial is set into the 90degree support and the lower part of
this support rounded off .

To be continued .
Dave Wooley

[Cadman]

I knew there was a reason I work in the smaller scales (details like those are too small to model). I hope there are not too many of those brackets to fabricate Dave. That could get tedious.