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This is model bulding at it's BEST . Superb job you have done .
Dave Wooley

Thank you Dave All of the Kind words really do help with this particular Build. It has been an Experience

I will be starting a new Build Soon. From the Hull up, Cheating a bit :big_gr I have been working on the Big sweep so much that I have not made much progress on the 1/48 sweep, However I need a small Diversion from Minesweepers.

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Jesus Christ and General Jackson, this is the hottest potato they've handed me yet!
(Bull Halsey)

1/48 Benhan Class DD
1/48 ATF
1/48 DE
1/48 Gearing class DD
1/48 AM Minesweeper (Dry Docked)
1/24 AM Minesweeper (In for Refit)

Here are a few more parts I am working on, A Capstan and a Valve for a Fire hose mounted in front of the forward gun shield.

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Jesus Christ and General Jackson, this is the hottest potato they've handed me yet!
(Bull Halsey)

1/48 Benhan Class DD
1/48 ATF
1/48 DE
1/48 Gearing class DD
1/48 AM Minesweeper (Dry Docked)
1/24 AM Minesweeper (In for Refit)

This is advanced ship modeling . Fine detail such as this makes a good model even better.
Dave Wooley

Dave.............Thank you.

I agree its in the small details. This build has been in many way's a lot of first's. I can truly appreciate what goes into an almost complete scratch build a whole lot more than I ever did before. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I have fabricated everything with the exception of a very few parts. The few parts I did buy I have modified or rebuilt in one fashion or another.

You Guy's are Phenomenal Builders, True craftsmen. Watching your builds come together inspires me to push myself even harder.

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Jesus Christ and General Jackson, this is the hottest potato they've handed me yet!
(Bull Halsey)

1/48 Benhan Class DD
1/48 ATF
1/48 DE
1/48 Gearing class DD
1/48 AM Minesweeper (Dry Docked)
1/24 AM Minesweeper (In for Refit)

Well I would like to start on the open Bridge, Problem is there is not very many pictures out there that I have been able to find. I am building a late War version of the Ship and so desperately need photos of the open Bridge. If anyone following this thread has some I sure would appreciate having you post them here.

As much as I hate to admit it, I might have to shelf this build until I can acquire more information.

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Jesus Christ and General Jackson, this is the hottest potato they've handed me yet!
(Bull Halsey)

1/48 Benhan Class DD
1/48 ATF
1/48 DE
1/48 Gearing class DD
1/48 AM Minesweeper (Dry Docked)
1/24 AM Minesweeper (In for Refit)

Welcome to the club. Bridge pictures seem to be few and far between. The Floating Drydock Minesweeper book seems to be about your best bet. There also seemed to be several differnt layouts.

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I have that photo CD, You're right very few and far between. My Bridge layout is the same as the USS Hazard. That ship is still around. You would think that someone out there has pictures of the Bridge.
Very frustrating, I could not even to begin to hours I have accumulated in research over the years. Hours that easily would add up to weeks even months.
The information has just got to be out there somewhere!

The search continues.

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Jesus Christ and General Jackson, this is the hottest potato they've handed me yet!
(Bull Halsey)

1/48 Benhan Class DD
1/48 ATF
1/48 DE
1/48 Gearing class DD
1/48 AM Minesweeper (Dry Docked)
1/24 AM Minesweeper (In for Refit)

Thank you all for Following this thread. This Build is now on hold until I can find more information on the particular version I am building. There is alot of information for earlier versions however I just had to pick the toughest one to find information on.
Thank you all again. This build will contimue once I have what I need to continue.
Regards.
Trev.

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Jesus Christ and General Jackson, this is the hottest potato they've handed me yet!
(Bull Halsey)

1/48 Benhan Class DD
1/48 ATF
1/48 DE
1/48 Gearing class DD
1/48 AM Minesweeper (Dry Docked)
1/24 AM Minesweeper (In for Refit)

I know the feeling about finding the photos/info to go with the build of your specific ship. For my DDE, there were 7 built to the original plan, I have detailed photos for 6 of them, the one I am missing is the ship I am building. From the photos I do have, it appears that they all had some slight differences in details, so I am left guessing as to what my ship should look like.

Good luck with finding the data you need. I love the level of detail you can build. I can't wait to see more.

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James W.

Dry docked:
1/72 HMCS Assiniboine DDE 234-1960
1/72 HMCS Ottawa DDE 229-1960
1/72 HMCS St. Catharines-River Class Frigate-1944
On the slipway:
1/72 HMCS Camrose-Flower Class Corvette-1943
1/72 HMCS Trillium-Flower Class Corvette-1942

johnny canuck
It can be very frustrating. I guess the lesson learned is to obtain all the data you can then decide weather or not to do the build. I have found that as time goes by more an more information surfaces on the web.
I was just about to make the following post when I received your reply.

Back at it.
I found a few Pictures of what I have been searching for, I cross referenced them with Builders Drawings and they appeared very close. I have had the builders drawings for a while now but did not trust them very much. It appears that the builders drawings and actual photos taken of the finished ship differed somewhat. In a case like this where there just does not seem to be the information out there, I feel it would be ok to go with what you can get. I had a floor plan but really needed the bridge side details.
I have tried to be ultra accurate in this build. Sometimes it is hard to know where to draw the line.

So I ask you this, Is it concidered acceptable to follow builders drawings knowing they might differ if there are no photos to be found. Maybe I am just being to obsessive in searching out the facts in some areas. I know there is probably no one that would ever see this model and say, Hey your open bridge is wrong. But the fact remains that I will know that it might not be.

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Jesus Christ and General Jackson, this is the hottest potato they've handed me yet!
(Bull Halsey)

1/48 Benhan Class DD
1/48 ATF
1/48 DE
1/48 Gearing class DD
1/48 AM Minesweeper (Dry Docked)
1/24 AM Minesweeper (In for Refit)

Hi Sweeper Skipper. This is a difficult question and it really depends on what type of model you want. I have come across this question many times either in judging or being judged. The bottom line is the photos that show the time line you are modeling the vessel in. Drawings can be and are notoriously inconclusive as they don't always show the vessel as built or as refitted. From a personal perspective I use the drawings as a guide and “were ever possible” photos as the definitive source . Alas if there is no photo evidence then that is a problem. There is the alternative and that is to consult members from any existing “crew association” There just maybe a member of the crew that can recount certain detail on the vessel. After all these guys spent months aboard these ships and whilst such memories become blurred with time they can recount in remarkable detail part of the vessel they served on. It’s worth a try. Ultimately it depends on you the model builder no one else. You can of course show the part of the ship you are concerned about as it would have been when launched or commissioned in the “as built” configuration. From my own experience and at particular events where models are judges it is common practice at UK events to provide for the judges drawings / time line photos of the ship and the model under construction . Also reference to any modification made to the vessel that is mirrored on the model using the photos to indicate these changes and referenced on the drawings. Unfortunately on large scale models there is so much more detail that can be shown and would need to be incorporated into the model reflecting in greater detail that of the real ship . It’s not a matter of being obsessive just wanting to be accurate with the information available and that is the key. I hope this helps
Dave Wooley

Dave always talks a lot of sense.

I found 26 crew members of a vessel I built, one said its not totaly accurate, you missed the rabbit hutch under the pom pom.

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Simple but effective.

Dave and ARH, Thank you for you're reply's. I started this project several years ago with a Lindberg model and the Book U.S Warships of WWII by Paul H Silverstone, And a set of vague Plans as my only reference. In other words not much! I have to admit that at the time I was a complete Noob to Scale Ship Building. My biggest error was to take for granted that I could find the information I needed. What a learning lesson that has been. So much so that for my next build (that has not even been started yet), I have made sure that all of the information I need is at my finger finger tips before I dust off the building Board.
I have not as of yet built a Model for show or to be judged. Not sure if I ever will, Who knows maybe someday I will build the right ship where every thing just flow's together in such a way that I might start having dilutions of grandeur and think it good enough to show. Until then I will stick to watching you guy's build and Learn Learn Learn.
I keep trying to find out how I can access the library of congress as well as other Gov, sources to get research pictures.
In a way this is a shocking reality, I feel like I am way over my head with you guy's. However Watching you all build has pushed me to strive all that much harder for excellence.

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Jesus Christ and General Jackson, this is the hottest potato they've handed me yet!
(Bull Halsey)

1/48 Benhan Class DD
1/48 ATF
1/48 DE
1/48 Gearing class DD
1/48 AM Minesweeper (Dry Docked)
1/24 AM Minesweeper (In for Refit)

Sweeper Skipper You can never be over your head. We "all" live and learn , regardless of skill level or ability. The real bottom line in this game is enjoyment and never to take ourselves and others to seriously . After all it is a hobby . Having said all that striving for accuracy and as good a build as we can achieve is no bad goal and in model building nothing is better than being half satisfied with the results.
Dave Wooley

VERY fine work!
admirable sharpness!

Jim Baumann

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....I buy them at three times the speed I build 'em.... will I live long enough to empty my stash...?
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html

IPMS UK SIG (special interest group) www.finewaterline.com

Interesting note about Hazard. She was built a few miles from my house in Kingston or Bainbridge. Can't remember which off hand.

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Any ship larger than a Destroyer is a waste of metal.

Les, yep she was built at Winslow Marine Railway and Shipbuilding Co., Winslow, Washington
Right here in our home State. Quit a few AM's were built here in Washington.

Jim, Admirable sharpness
Admirable subject. So few modelers tackle these fantastic ships who litterally sailed in Harms way. The Bigger ships get the glory while these little guys swept the path for them to obtain that glory.

Dave, I couldn't agree with you more.

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Jesus Christ and General Jackson, this is the hottest potato they've handed me yet!
(Bull Halsey)

1/48 Benhan Class DD
1/48 ATF
1/48 DE
1/48 Gearing class DD
1/48 AM Minesweeper (Dry Docked)
1/24 AM Minesweeper (In for Refit)

According to Wilkepedia the company is no longer in existance. Wash. St. Ferries owns the site. I imagine the plans were thrown out. On second thought, someone might have them. You could always put an ad in the Bainbridge newspaper.

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Any ship larger than a Destroyer is a waste of metal.

That I could do...

Some time back I emailed the Park that has the Hazard, Sent them pictures of the build, this is even when I had her painted like the Hazard, Never heard a word back from them
I would think that for as long as that Jewel has sat there, Photos of the open bridge could be found somewhere.

The Search continues.

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Jesus Christ and General Jackson, this is the hottest potato they've handed me yet!
(Bull Halsey)

1/48 Benhan Class DD
1/48 ATF
1/48 DE
1/48 Gearing class DD
1/48 AM Minesweeper (Dry Docked)
1/24 AM Minesweeper (In for Refit)