Calling all HMS Repulse & HMS Renown fans

[AndyP]

Hola All

I recived the 1/350 Repulse for xmas and im just gathering up some info and finishing off my Hood before i start, and was hoping you all can help me

what im trying to do is represent HOOD and REPULSE docked in Melbourne in 1924 on the Empire Cruise,



Hood Coming along and nearly done, ya can see the thread viewtopic.php?f=59&t=39025 and obviously this means im gonna have to (try) and re-work Repulse tp her 1924 Fit

So my questions are thus i guess
can ya recommend any books should seek out for Repulse (i dont think they do an 'Anatomy of a ship' type book for Repulse? likewise any web based resources like HMSHood.com would be great the best book i have at the mo is the Robert/Reven British Battleships book
Secondly, what PE/After market parts would you recommend? bearing in mind that a lot of the stuff like the cranes and AA Guns will be ditched
Thirdly, does anyone have some good top down plans of Repulse (or Renown) in thier original configuration (well 1924 obviously but i dont think the superstructure changed that much?)

there will probably be much much more but thats all for now, anyone who can help would be much appreciated

many thanks

Andy

[RNfanDan]

Hello, Andy--

There was a series of softbound publications, variously authored by Alan Raven, John Roberts, Maurice Northcott and HT Lenton, beginning in the 1970s, titled Ensign. Each softbound, numbered volume was focused on a particular class of ships beginning with #1 King George V class battleships, and ending with #8 Renown and Repulse.

A second series of these volumes, many of which --but not all-- were "repeats" of the Ensigns and titled Man o'War, were published by a different firm. If you can get your hands on the Ensign HMS Hood Design & Construction Special or the Man o'War #7 Hood, you will get an excellent overview and some fine line drawings/plans of the ship in her earlier days.

Repulse will no doubt be the more involved "conversion" of the two ships, because practically every commercially-produced kit model of her, to date, depicts the battlecruiser in her post-modernised configuration (usually 1941 "as-sunk"); much of this will have to be done away with and the kit reconfigured to be correct for Repulse's 1924 Empire Cruise appearance. The Ensign 8 volume will help greatly toward this end, in my opinion, as it includes many details of the individual decks and fittings that would be accurate for this period.

I hope this helps you in some way.

Dan

[Sebaar]

Impossible to state which is "better", as BOTH kits have errors, and the needs of the modeller are what determine the answer. I can say that the Tamiya kit lacks a full-hull option, whereas the Trumpeter one will give the modeller his or her rightful choice in that regard.

Thanks for info. Now I have both kits (Tamiya and Trumpeter), they have nicely detailed parts (example Tamiya hull looks better than Trumpeter but he have more detailed medium and AA artillery). Trumpeter needs also more skills for modeller.

Verdict: One Repulse will stay (Tamiya), second one (Trumpeter) was build as Christmas gift.

[Andrew F]

Hi Guys,

I'm about the add the "night life buoy" to my Repulse


Does anyone know the correct colour scheme?

thanks

Andrew

[tko24]

How different in appearance was HMS Renown in her 1945 fit compared to her 1942 fit? Having a hard time finding good pics of either.
Thanks in advance
Tom

[PaulC]

Hi tko,

In 1943 from February 22 to June 9, Renown underwent a refit at Rosyth that involved some significant modifications.

1) The removal of her aircraft and catapult with the area becoming her main boat stowage (similar to the KGV's) flanked by platforms for 2 single 20 mm Oerlikons on each side
2) The previous main boat stowage, abreast the second funnel atop the aircraft hangars, was modified with platforms for 20 mm Oerlikons - 2 each side
3) Her Carley Float arrangements on the sides of her bridge were modified
4) (I believe) the Oerlikons on B-turret were replaced by a quad 2 pdr pom pom
5) Several more 20 mm guns were added.

Pit Road/Trumpeter should be releasing a 1944 Renown in the coming year.

Her camo scheme was also altered in 1943 to another disruptive scheme which she wore through much of her Indian Ocean service, but by 1945 she was in light grey with the dark blue swath along the hull, like KGV in 1945. (WEM has all the specific colours of course).

Hope this helps.

Paul

[RhombusJr]

Here's a website that shows the different camo schemes worn by Renown:
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/other_craf ... mills.html

In regards to the 1943 scheme, does anyone have any ideas about what the port side looked like? I've only ever seen pictures of the starboard side.

[PaulC]

Hi Rhombusjr,

Here's a website that shows the different camo schemes worn by Renown:

Er...not so fast! I had a discussion with the artist himself - Monty Mills aka BCRenown in the HMS Hood forum. I had posted links to those very drawings - Monty was surprised they were still posted as they were not correct and should be disregarded.

In regards to the 1943 scheme, does anyone have any ideas about what the port side looked like? I've only ever seen pictures of the starboard side.

Can help you there! In the same thread Monty posted some pictures he had of her 1943 port side along with a colour plate that he felt was generally OK.

BTW the WEM paints that match the 1943 scheme are G 5 (RN 22), G 45 (RN 14) and B-15 (RN 15). I believe Deck teak (C 01) for wood and G 10 (RN 23) for steel decks, would be used for horizontal surfaces.

Here's a link to the short thread where you can see the pictures:

http://www.hmshood.org.uk/forum/phpBB3/ ... p?f=6&t=23

Paul

[Phil R]

Does anyone know of a set of plans depicting either the Renown or Repulse,as first built?

thanks in advance ,Phil

[Andrew F]

Hi Phil,

there is a set in Raven and Roberts and also in "Ensign 8" .

Andrew

[Phil R]

Hi Phil,

there is a set in Raven and Roberts and also in "Ensign 8" .

Andrew

Thanks Andrew,I I have the R&R Battleships ,but the plan only shows the side view(I think?),and I know someone who has the Ensign 8,so I`ll try to bribe him to let me borrow it,Money talks!!

Cheers Phil

[EJFoeth]

If money talks you might just as well buy one from ebay. This discussion made me buy mine and it arrived this week. No drawings of Renown's refit.

[Andrew F]

Hi Phil,

Yes that right,

R&R has only the side view,

Ensign 8 has the decks as well.

Are you thinking of doing a 1916 version?

Andrew

[Phil R]

"..Are you thinking of doing a 1916 version"

Yep,that`s what I`m planning,it`ll be waterline from the Trumpy kit.

Cheers Phil

[Andrew F]

I had also thought of doing it but the thought of having to remove the armour and all the decking rather put me off!

Good luck... a great project.

Andrew

[dick]

Just unpacking my recently-arrived Pit Road HMS Renown 1942 and wondering about the paint scheme and in particular how to paint the decks. The instructions show wood but in this picture:

http://www.airrecce.co.uk/CC/48/HMS%20Renown.jpg

(which is also on page 252 of the Raven and Roberts book on BBs and BCs) the decks aft look very dark, and forward of the breakwater and beside A turret there is a strong suggestion that the camouflage pattern from the sides extends over onto the decks. Has this been discussed before? Has anyone got any other overhead views of her in 1942?

[RhombusJr]

Just unpacking my recently-arrived Pit Road HMS Renown 1942 and wondering about the paint scheme and in particular how to paint the decks. The instructions show wood but in this picture:

http://www.airrecce.co.uk/CC/48/HMS%20Renown.jpg

(which is also on page 252 of the Raven and Roberts book on BBs and BCs) the decks aft look very dark, and forward of the breakwater and beside A turret there is a strong suggestion that the camouflage pattern from the sides extends over onto the decks. Has this been discussed before? Has anyone got any other overhead views of her in 1942?

According to the Warship Perspectives RN Camouflage book (http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/bo ... 1/wr-1.jpg) the camo scheme was carried onto the fore and quarter decks, but states there is little to no information on what it looked like.

[Andrew F]

Hi all,

Gold Medal Models would appear to have put out a Repulse PE set for the 1:350 Trumpeter kit. Sadly while it has many additions that the WEP PE lack it lacks some that the WEP has! The radars in particular seem rather nice but unlike their Hood set the beautifully etched tread plates etc.have been left out. Ah well!! All too late for me anyway!

Andrew

Almost there!!!

[Thomas E. Johnson]

How does the Trumpy 1/350 accuracy wise, and what time period does it portray the ship? I'm considering getting one.

[Andrew F]

Hi Thomas,

As you will see from this thread, the Trumpeter model seems to have components from a mixture of times and has many inaccuracies. Having said that it is a very nice model to make and depending on your obsessiveness to make it accurate can be made to appear from the time of the 1936/8 refit through to the 1941 state in which she sank. Admiralty model-works produce a kit to make the deck houses correct for 1941, Sea-master make excellent sets of barrels for all the various weapons and both GMM and WEM make excellent PE sets. For extra detail the GMM Gold Hood sets adds another level to the model. Additional details can also be added from Veteran models and L'arsonel.
Research material includes:

Raven and Roberts,
Ensign 8
PRofile morskie
This site
RN fan Dan
British Battlecruisers by New Vanguard
The Royal Navy plans of Repulse
Period Photos
Vickers Archives
Underwater video of Repulse
etc.

Phil R has a make up of her as per 1938 on this site as well.

Andrew