Influential Polictical Revolutions

[kennylibben]

I've heard many different good sources say different revolutions influenced others. What do you think?

Yes, the American influenced the French but some still say the French influenced others the most. Plus i'm throwing in the Russian because i suppose you could say that Russia becoming the USSR influenced all the other now communist nations to revolt.

[JWintjes]

I've heard many different good sources say different revolutions influenced others. What do you think?

Yes, the American influenced the French but some still say the French influenced others the most. Plus i'm throwing in the Russian because i suppose you could say that Russia becoming the USSR influenced all the other now communist nations to revolt.

Ehm, "all the other now communist nations" ???

Personally, I'd say the French revolution has to take precedence here. Although its immediate effects were to a certain extent curtailed by 1815, it effectively shaped not only the following "long" century, but also influenced the revolutions in Russia.

Jorit

[kennylibben]

How did it influence Russia?

Well then i suppose one could argue the American influenced Russia... if it influenced the French which influenced the Russian.

[JWintjes]

How did it influence Russia?

There would have been no Marx without the French revolution. No Lenin without Marx.

Jorit

[kennylibben]

one side question here. A show on the History Channel yesterday said that the french tri-color (le drapeau) made its debute at the storming of the bastille. What was the french flag before this? i thought it was the tricolor....

[ARH]

one side question here. A show on the History Channel yesterday said that the french tri-color (le drapeau) made its debute at the storming of the bastille. What was the french flag before this? i thought it was the tricolor....

A LARGE BED SHEET

[JWintjes]

one side question here. A show on the History Channel yesterday said that the french tri-color (le drapeau) made its debute at the storming of the bastille. What was the french flag before this? i thought it was the tricolor....

Blue with golden fleurs-de-lys on it:

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Of course there have been many variations of that flag, some with a white background.

Jorit

[Mark Petersen]

As much as I hate to say it the French Revolution probably had more influence than the others. Simply because it showed the revolutionaries just how to purge their societies of the social and political elements they had revolted against. The purges of the USSR where IMO influenced by the Terror and the historic pgroms of the Tsars

[kennylibben]

true... i guess the french influenced more revolutions to be bloodbaths.

Now i recognize that flag from movies about the three musketeers and such. However now that i know that i realize just HOW many movies are wrong, always showing the tri-colors in revolutionary war, 7 years war, and more movies.

[JWintjes]

However now that i know that i realize just HOW many movies are wrong

Welcome to reality. Hey, it's even worse as far as antiquity is concerned - there's Stone's Alexander and then nothing. Pretty desolate.

Jorit

[chuck]

Exploiting the opportunity created by American Revolution to humble Britain was the immediate cause of the bankrupcy of the ancient regime in France, which directly made it necessary to call the estate general. which led to the French revolution.

So American revolution materially and directly triggered the Frenc revolution. IMHO, American revolution therefore was more directly influential upon the French revolution than any other bilateral relationship between your set of cases.

[JWintjes]

Exploiting the opportunity created by American Revolution to humble Britain was the immediate cause of the bankrupcy of the ancient regime in France, which directly made it necessary to call the estate general. which led to the French revolution.

Huh? That's rather short-sighted, as the deplorable financial situation of the ancien regime was mainly a result of the exploits of the sun king. If you want, your Soleil Royale really had a lasting effect...

Jorit

[chuck]

Exploiting the opportunity created by American Revolution to humble Britain was the immediate cause of the bankrupcy of the ancient regime in France, which directly made it necessary to call the estate general. which led to the French revolution.

Huh? That's rather short-sighted, as the deplorable financial situation of the ancien regime was mainly a result of the exploits of the sun king. If you want, your Soleil Royale really had a lasting effect...

Jorit

1. I protest! Soleil Royal is wholly innocent. She was built under Colbert�s brilliant administration, when French national revenue was 3 times that of Britain�s and 10 times that of Venice. French royal purse was bursting at the seams with money, defying all attempts to ensure spending keeps up with income. The seed of decline of French national credit and revenue system was not sown until revocation of edict of Nante.
The vast stores of French treasury did not melt away until war of Spanish succession, when France unwisely fought against all major Europe powers at once. By this time Soleil Royal has been charred timber on the beach of La Hogue for over a decade.


2. It is true France has not been extravagantly wealthy since Louis XV. But her income, if not her system of credit, was still on a par with Britain and she certainly could meet her day-to-day needs. The problem did not come to a head until France first subsidized the American revolution, then, seeking to exploit Britain�s humbling and the newly elevated prestige of her own Navy as result of successful conclusion of the war, she embarked upon another major naval built up in 1786, which aimed to consolidate her gains to fully rival the RN for the first time in 100 years. It envisioned amongst other things, 18(!) 118 gun first rate ship of the line, a entirely new and vastly costly naval arsenal at Dunkirk to fully rival Portmouth, plus an attempt to elevate Anterp to rival London. It is the embarkation of these costs which finally broke the system of French national credit and required the recall of estate general to raise further funds, leading to the revolution.


Besides, how can any nation blame her own financial troubles on events almost 70 years before? Surely any minutely competent government would have been able to restore financial balance of a nation as relatively large and resourceful as France over a period of 70 years. If a government of 1786 wish to spend as if France was still as welathy as she was in 1686, that's not the fault of Louis XIV.

No, she out spent her resources, and lacked a developed system of credit to make up the difference, and her aristocracy shortsightedly didn't wish to stand financially behind the government in need. It is only the combination of all three that can trigger the revolution of 1789.

[Filipe Ramires]

None of the above revolutions were possible if the technological and industrial revolutions never had take place. Those were probably the most influent revolutions of modern and contemporary ages!

[chuck]

None of the above revolutions were possible if the technological and industrial revolutions never had take place. Those were probably the most influent revolutions of modern and contemporary ages!

That's a bit general, like saying none of those revolution would have taken place were it not for the bipedal revolution that allowed human ancesters to stand up straight.

[Timmy C]

Which wouldn't have happened if the Big Bang didn't happen.

[MichelB]

None of the above revolutions were possible if the technological and industrial revolutions never had take place. Those were probably the most influent revolutions of modern and contemporary ages!

Well.... the American patriots had no need for steam engines or even a cotton gin until several decades later. The French weren't miffed about machinery and industrialization (no Luddites there). 1776 and 1789 would have 'happened' with or without some chap having invented a moving kettle.

In my opinion the greatest revolution of the past 200 years: the scientific revolution of the 19-hundreds; science becoming an establishment.
The worst revolution ever (even surpassing 1917 in scope): the triumph of youthism, fundamentalist tolerance and hedonism since 1968. ESPECIALLY the destruction of the natural parent-child relationship is wreaking havoc under our feet. A direct result, the glorification of anything young and immature is a direct threat to the foundations of our culture.

[kennylibben]

i mean political revolutions here people! not economic ones.

[chuck]

In my opinion the greatest revolution of the past 200 years: the scientific revolution of the 19-hundreds; science becoming an establishment.

Age of enlightenment made it possible.

[ddp]

what about the british civil wars??