Four stacker colors after Pearl Harbor

[Not_so_COB]

I'm specifically interested in what color USS Edsall would likely have been in when she was escorting Langley... Any ideas?

[Russ2146]

Best I can find, maybe Tracy can help. Looks like MS21 to me but.....

CV 1 Langley.jpg

[John Snyder]

In all likelihood she was in overall Cavite Blue. To mix it using Colourcoats, mix 20 parts Colourcoats US 08 5-N Navy Blue to 3 parts Colourcoats US 27 Norfolk 250-N Flight Deck Stain.

[Cliffy B]

Cavite Blue? Could you elaborate please sir? I was only aware of Navy, Sea, and Deck Blues.

[MartinJQuinn]

Cavite Blue? Could you elaborate please sir? I was only aware of Navy, Sea, and Deck Blues.

A locally brewed paint color for the Asiatic Fleet, which was no where close to the paint manufacturing facilities.

More here, here and here.

[Cliffy B]

Well neat! Learn something new everyday

[Jimmy Conway]

In all likelihood she was in overall Cavite Blue. To mix it using Colourcoats, mix 20 parts Colourcoats US 08 5-N Navy Blue to 3 parts Colourcoats US 27 Norfolk 250-N Flight Deck Stain.

John, please, will this information be added to ships database at?

http://www.shipcamouflage.com/clemson_class.htm

There is nothing in the link about DD219, and I think it could be updated.
Thanks: Jimmy

[John Snyder]

You'll have to ask Tracy White--he's now helping Randy with that portion of the shipcamouflage website. I'm not involved over there any more.

[Rick E Davis]

This question reminded me of this photo of BARKER (DD-213), one of the Asiatic Fleet survivors ... would she still be in Cavite Blue in July 1942? (The date on photo has been determined to be wrong ... with 21 July 1942 being the only day BARKER was at Nukualofa Harbor, Tongatabu on her way to Pearl Harbor when the WASP cameraman took the shot.) She operated out of Fremantle, Australia from March to May 1942 after repairs from NEI actions and I have wondered what her paint scheme would have been as she returned to the West Coast for overhaul/mods. Did she "retain" Cavite Blue or did she get some other paint scheme (RN paint or did Australia use something else?) applied in Australia? Her hull number doesn't seem to have been reapplied, which made me think she was repainted at some point.

... http://www.NavSource.org/archives/05/0521308.jpg ...

[ar]

Dear Davis,
If repainted in Australia in early 1942, USS Barker would have used Admiralty paints.

This question reminded me of this photo of BARKER (DD-213), one of the Asiatic Fleet survivors ... would she still be in Cavite Blue in July 1942? (The date on photo has been determined to be wrong ... with 21 July 1942 being the only day BARKER was at Nukualofa Harbor, Tongatabu on her way to Pearl Harbor when the WASP cameraman took the shot.) She operated out of Fremantle, Australia from March to May 1942 after repairs from NEI actions and I have wondered what her paint scheme would have been as she returned to the West Coast for overhaul/mods. Did she "retain" Cavite Blue or did she get some other paint scheme (RN paint or did Australia use something else?) applied in Australia? Her hull number doesn't seem to have been reapplied, which made me think she was repainted at some point.

... http://www.NavSource.org/archives/05/0521308.jpg ...

[Rick E Davis]

Alan,

I would "think" that RN paints (one paint the way it looks from the photo) would be likely. But, I wondered if a stockpile of USN paint was available ... a very large number of cargo ships headed to the Philippines were diverted to Australia in December 1941-January 1942 and more or less dropped off their cargo there. A supply of USN paint is a possibility in its basic elements prior to mixing. I know that the USAAF awaited a supply of paint to paint the B-17's based there and that it arrived shortly before the war started and only a few B-17's were painted before the attack (two were in the hangars being painted at the start of the attack). The older B-18's in the Philippines appear to have been painted "maybe" with US Army Vehicle paints in a two tone scheme a month or two before the B-17's from available photos. The Philippines went from being a backwater location that was at the tail end of hand-medowns to the head of the priority list in the summer of 1941.

I guess I'm looking for an "educated" guess from experts based on this "color" photo as to the "possibilities". The number of available photos of these Asiatic Fleet destroyers after the debacle and before they were refitted on the West Coast and mostly sent to the Atlantic are few. I'm not sure that the information on BARKER's repair and painting would be in BuShips records at NARA.

[FRAMSailor]

I am also thinking of doing an Asiatic Four Piper, possibly John D. Ford. I saw the info about mixing colourcoats, but just wondering if there is any readily available color the is a "close enough" match for a faded Cavite Blue?

[MartinJQuinn]

if there is any readily available color the is a "close enough" match for a faded Cavite Blue?

Try here. Click on "Pallet 2".

[Zad Fnark]

With my color vision, the deck stain to me is very close to 5N. I don't know if I'd be able to tell the difference between 5N and Cavite Blue at a 20-3 ratio.

Maybe I'll fade the Navy Blue a bit...

Ed