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Sten Ekedahl wrote:A few thoughts on the composition of your diorama: Although I don't build dioramas myself, I have seen hundreds, if not thousands, of them at model shows and on the net during the past 30+ years. I have found that there is one thing the majority of diorama builders seem to be scared of; an empty area! This is especially obvious in military land dioramas, you know the typical ones with a street crossing, house ruins, one or two tanks and a group of soldiers. Often these dioramas are then filled with rubble, spent cases, buckets, a rusty broken bicycle, abandoned weapons and every other possible sort of junk you could think of. You get the impression that the builder has carefully inspected his diorama and been horrified at finding an empty 1/4 square inch, and promptly filled with even more junk! In my eyes these dioramas are quite frankly boring!

Your diorama is in my eyes a very good composition: The ships are the main focus and in the center. They are positioned where land and sea meet and sort of highlights ships as the link between land and sea. Since you also have both land and sea in the diorama I think you should take advantage of the difference between the two - land; cluttered with features, both natural and man-made, and the open featureless water. In other words, don't be afraid of that empty area of water. It balances the busy shore. And as you say, it leaves room for a name plate.

Just my 2 cents worth...

BTW, I like it a lot! :thumbs_up_1:

Wow, Sten! For a second, there, I thought you were going to trash my diorama. :puppy_eyes: :wave_1:

I'm glad that your comments turned the corner towards a positive direction at my diorama. It sounds like you have an eye for the clutter in a diorama and that "it ain't fooling you". :big_grin:

I agree with all that you've said about the armored vehicle type dioramas but, honestly, the clutter has always caught my attention and I've admired modelers' imaginations for thinking of such details. It is almost too, much to take in sometimes. I've never given it as much thought as you have but, I will remember your observations when I view dioramas in the future.

One such diorama comes to mind that I saw at the 2010 Nationals. It was a 1/72 scale battle diorama of German and Russian troops inside and outside of a T-34 tank factory. I found it fascinating and it was an example of where the more detail, the better, I feel. I found it to be impressive and especially when considering the scale.

Your thoughts about the vacant water areas in my diorama was going to be the basis for any argument that I could have made with Rui about his suggestion of filling the void. But, Rui has worthy point, as well, and it got me thinking about those garbage lighters.

I'm sure that Rui will agree with your comments about the contrast between the busy land area and the vacant water areas. That makes total sense and sounds like the teachings of an art theory or composition professor. This contrast, or balance, may actually be the subconscious affect that they had on me when I first saw the photos. Who knows. Maybe we should compliment the photographer.

This may sound like I'm an easily swayed person but, now I'm thinking about going back to my original intent of leaving the vacant areas of water, vacant. Just like the photos.

I'm torn. :huh: :scratch:

I'm glad that you commented, here, Sten. I think this is the first time that our paths crossed, here on MWS.

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Great Post Sten :thumbs_up_1: i will spend more time when viewing Dioramas in the future.

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Sten,

I'd welcome your critizisms about my other diorama still in progress.........

This one is 1/350 scale.

After arranging and re-arranging the tender and boats around the base, this is my intended arrangement.

None of the vessels are attached, yet, and the wood base isn't the final base. I was substituting it with this one from another, larger project.

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Sten Ekedahl wrote: Your diorama is in my eyes a very good composition: The ships are the main focus and in the center. They are positioned where land and sea meet and sort of highlights ships as the link between land and sea. Since you also have both land and sea in the diorama I think you should take advantage of the difference between the two - land; cluttered with features, both natural and man-made, and the open featureless water. In other words, don't be afraid of that empty area of water. It balances the busy shore. And as you say, it leaves room for a name plate.

Just my 2 cents worth...

BTW, I like it a lot! :thumbs_up_1:
I fully agree with the above. You've worked hard to capture a specific point in time when the photos were taken, so I'd have to say that adding anything to jazz it up would only diminish the effect. The only tweak to the composition I might suggest (and laugh this off if it's too minor) would be to rotate the aircraft just slightly so that the axis of the aircraft is not parallel to those of the warships, unless you're sure it is in real life. Vehicles suggest motion, even when they are static, and moving the aircraft out of formation with the ships would separate it from the ships and increase its relevance in the scene. May not be a factor in your actual build when seen in person; tough to tell if they are actually parallel in the pics.

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reigels wrote:
Sten Ekedahl wrote: Your diorama is in my eyes a very good composition: The ships are the main focus and in the center. They are positioned where land and sea meet and sort of highlights ships as the link between land and sea. Since you also have both land and sea in the diorama I think you should take advantage of the difference between the two - land; cluttered with features, both natural and man-made, and the open featureless water. In other words, don't be afraid of that empty area of water. It balances the busy shore. And as you say, it leaves room for a name plate.

Just my 2 cents worth...

BTW, I like it a lot! :thumbs_up_1:
I fully agree with the above. You've worked hard to capture a specific point in time when the photos were taken, so I'd have to say that adding anything to jazz it up would only diminish the effect. The only tweak to the composition I might suggest (and laugh this off if it's too minor) would be to rotate the aircraft just slightly so that the axis of the aircraft is not parallel to those of the warships, unless you're sure it is in real life. Vehicles suggest motion, even when they are static, and moving the aircraft out of formation with the ships would separate it from the ships and increase its relevance in the scene. May not be a factor in your actual build when seen in person; tough to tell if they are actually parallel in the pics.

Beautiful work!

Hi, Scott!

This is a good point that you make. It is actually difficult to tell if the F-8 is parallel to the ships, or not. It isn't permanently attached, yet, but I'd have to position it according to the layout of the streets and grass areas which I studied before drawing the land areas out. I used a small square placed even with the edge of the wharf and layed the buildings perpendicular to that edge and curved the street(s) accordingly, etc. So, the plane will have to end up relative to the triangular shaped grassy patch that it sits on.

Whenever I display the diorama, I'm sure that I'll be providing the photos along side of it. The plane will be a nice "Oh! Look at that!" feature no matter how it's oriented. I just hope they don't notice the lack of cars in the parking lots.

I'm actually going to be in St. Louis on Sunday and Monday. I'm attending the USS Duxbury Bay AVP-38 reunion dinner on Sunday night at the Embassy Suites near the airport. I'm bringing my Dux model, my Bering Strait model, and my USS Oyster Bay model for the Dux shipmates to enjoy.
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I printed out the nameplate in the size that I had intended 2" x 3". I think I may try to make it smaller. It will all depend on if the local trophy shop can make it smaller, as well.

I think that the nameplate in either corner looks okay.

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Looking great Carl, personally, I prefer the nameplate on the right.

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johndon wrote:Looking great Carl, persoanlly, I prefer the nameplate on the right.

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Carl,

Unless you can show wake & bow wave on the plastistruct, I wouldn't add anything out in the open water area, unless it would logically be sitting still.

Name plate on right.

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I like the name plate on the right as well...
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MartinJQuinn wrote:I like the name plate on the right as well...
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Right hand corner, it is, sounds like!

I'm still going to reduce the size of the plate by a half an inch, height and width.
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Russ2146 wrote:Carl,

Unless you can show wake & bow wave on the plastistruct, I wouldn't add anything out in the open water area, unless it would logically be sitting still.

Name plate on right.

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Thanks for thinking this through, Russ. I agree. If I put a small craft in the foreground (and I'm leaning towards not putting anything else on the water than what's in the photos) it would be going pretty slow for any significant wake, bow or stern.

I have actually practiced with a PT Boat and whale boat on the same kind of Plastruct water sheet using Liquitex in a hobby syringe.

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Thanks a lot, Jon. :Mad_5: :jest:
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Carl,
I regret that I have not been following this thread for all the time you were working on it - I just saw it today. I think this is just beautiful! The work you put into updating of the tender was particularly good. You brought it up through about 30 years, catching all the right points. I'm thoroughly astounded by the amount of work you packed into such a short time. Any one of the ships would have taken me months.

I haven't done a multi-ship diorama in years, but I still strive to work on the individual ships like you have.

Absolutely wonderful!!

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Rick_H wrote:Carl,
I regret that I have not been following this thread for all the time you were working on it - I just saw it today. I think this is just beautiful! The work you put into updating of the tender was particularly good. You brought it up through about 30 years, catching all the right points. I'm thoroughly astounded by the amount of work you packed into such a short time. Any one of the ships would have taken me months.

I haven't done a multi-ship diorama in years, but I still strive to work on the individual ships like you have.

Absolutely wonderful!!

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Thank you, so much, for commenting here, Rick! I regret that you haven't been following this thread, too. Ha! :big_grin: :wave_1:

I'm so, glad that you're enjoying my project! :thanks:

I feel that the USS Ajax is the subtle star of this diorama. Its usually the combat ships that get the glory, I think.
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Man Carl that is coming out Awsome in all ways.. Great Stuff
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After restarting the USS Brewton FF-1086 and now being satisfied with the removal of the bow's bulwark, I have caught it up with the current state of the other two FFs, here is the status of all four of the ships of my dio, so far. Still a lot of details to add to them all.

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Taking good shape, Carl
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