Camoflage scheme for APA's at Tarawa?
Moderators: MartinJQuinn, Timmy C, Gernot, Olaf Held, JWintjes
- robertmelvin
- Posts: 2025
- Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:39 am
- Location: Harlan, Kentucky, U.S.A.
Camoflage scheme for APA's at Tarawa?
I'm trying to gather some information about the camoflage schemes used for APAs at Tarawa. Does anybody know the appropriate camoflage measure/scheme, or can you suggest a reference where I could dig it out myself? Thanks in advance.
Bob
Bob
Give me a fast ship, for I would like to get out of harm's way!
- JimRussell
- Posts: 379
- Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:28 am
- Location: Peoria AZ
Re: Camoflage scheme for APA's at Tarawa?
Bob,
This is a tough one, the auxiliaries are not included in the S&S database at shipcamoflage.com.
Tarawa was fought in Nov 1943 so that was just before the dazzle era. If the ship was in dazzle finding the measure is no problem.
go to Navsource and the "battle stars" block will tell you which ships were at Tarawa. Then look for 1943 or in a pinch 1942 pictures. You will then have to guess the measure. Remember 1943 was early enough the only the lower APA numbers were in commission and have to be looked up.
For example APA-1 was there and there is a 1943 photo. The ship looks to be a medium tone all over so a good guess would be meas 14. The photo experts will go at length about b&w film types, so there is a chance the ship was meas 21 but dark blue shows lighter because of the film used.
I doubt you will find a definitive answer for most ships.
jim
This is a tough one, the auxiliaries are not included in the S&S database at shipcamoflage.com.
Tarawa was fought in Nov 1943 so that was just before the dazzle era. If the ship was in dazzle finding the measure is no problem.
go to Navsource and the "battle stars" block will tell you which ships were at Tarawa. Then look for 1943 or in a pinch 1942 pictures. You will then have to guess the measure. Remember 1943 was early enough the only the lower APA numbers were in commission and have to be looked up.
For example APA-1 was there and there is a 1943 photo. The ship looks to be a medium tone all over so a good guess would be meas 14. The photo experts will go at length about b&w film types, so there is a chance the ship was meas 21 but dark blue shows lighter because of the film used.
I doubt you will find a definitive answer for most ships.
jim
-
Rick E Davis
- Posts: 3880
- Joined: Thu May 29, 2008 8:02 pm
Re: Camoflage scheme for APA's at Tarawa?
The October-November 1943 photos I have seen for activities associated with Tarawa showed the USN APA/AP's in what I would guess to be Ms 21 ... they matched in tone the destroyers also seen in the same photos.
- robertmelvin
- Posts: 2025
- Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:39 am
- Location: Harlan, Kentucky, U.S.A.
Re: Camoflage scheme for APA's at Tarawa?
Thanks, guys, I knew I'd get pointed in the right direction here.
Bob
Bob
Give me a fast ship, for I would like to get out of harm's way!
-
Russ2146
- Posts: 2126
- Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:28 pm
- Location: Egg Harbor Twp, NJ
-
JTninja
- Posts: 709
- Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:19 pm
- Location: Seattle Area
Re: Camoflage scheme for APA's at Tarawa?
Found this from Navsource...
October 1943 prior to departure for the invasion of Tarawa.
Last image here:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/03/03002.htm
October 1943 prior to departure for the invasion of Tarawa.
Last image here:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/03/03002.htm
Last edited by JTninja on Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"Also we will never see a 1/350 late war Enterprise from Dragon due to a paralyzing fear of success...." - Heavy Melder
Lots of unfinished model ships + attention issues = A busy slipway where nothing gets done!
Lots of unfinished model ships + attention issues = A busy slipway where nothing gets done!
-
Tracy White
- Posts: 10627
- Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:02 am
- Location: EG48
- Contact:
Re: Camoflage scheme for APA's at Tarawa?
Not entirely true, we have the Haskell Class started: http://www.shipcamouflage.com/haskell_class.htmJimRussell wrote:This is a tough one, the auxiliaries are not included in the S&S database at shipcamoflage.com.
Tracy White -Researcher@Large
"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman
"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman
- JimRussell
- Posts: 379
- Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:28 am
- Location: Peoria AZ
Re: Camoflage scheme for APA's at Tarawa?
Tracy,
But you cannot get there from here
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/camouflage_database.htm
there is no tab for auxiliaries or amphibious. If it cannot be found it cannot be used.
jim
But you cannot get there from here
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/camouflage_database.htm
there is no tab for auxiliaries or amphibious. If it cannot be found it cannot be used.
jim
-
Tracy White
- Posts: 10627
- Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:02 am
- Location: EG48
- Contact:
Re: Camoflage scheme for APA's at Tarawa?
Look under "New Stuff" on the main page:
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/warship_camouflage.htm
It's been there for 5-6 months. I stuck it there precisely because I don't have an APA section yet. I've been working on a large site redesign to roll it out.
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/warship_camouflage.htm
It's been there for 5-6 months. I stuck it there precisely because I don't have an APA section yet. I've been working on a large site redesign to roll it out.
Tracy White -Researcher@Large
"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman
"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman
- robertmelvin
- Posts: 2025
- Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:39 am
- Location: Harlan, Kentucky, U.S.A.
Re: Camoflage scheme for APA's at Tarawa?
Thanks again guys. As always, you've been a great deal of help in finding what I need.
Bob
Bob
Give me a fast ship, for I would like to get out of harm's way!