Calling all HMS Repulse & HMS Renown fans

[Guido]

Hello-
I just wanted to inform that Lion Roar has pulled the Repulse Set from shipment and is looking into chnages to better conform the needs of the dedicated modeller.
Andrew's excellent blog will be instrumental for analysis and revision.
Cheers,
Guido

[Goi]

May I just ask- would you recommend the WEM or Flyhawk photo-etch set for the Trumpeter Renown?

Also would like to ask if the bridge windows are open or must be cut to put in the PE like in this WEM model:

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[Richard Durham]

Goi, I recommend the 1/700 Gold Medal Models 700-6, World War Two British Warships. While not a dedicated set for the RENOWN, it is very good and easy to use. Take the money you save and buy some 15 inch brass barrels. No need to cut out the windows, just paint them. Take care, Rich

[Goi]

Does the GMM fret have replacements for the plastic 2-pounders and the other AA weapons in the 1942 Renown?

Thank you.

[Allan McBeath]

Anyone have detail on the rigging. Profile Morskie shows all the signal rigging going from the top yards diagonally to the lower yards then down to the deck. That just doesnt look right to me and doesnt make sense. can someone clarify this. I cant make out the rigging in the more accurate builds to make sense of it all.

[Joachim]

hi silent one!

would eb very interested in our problem�s solution, too - do have the same problem

regards!

Joachim

[Guido]

Goi, I recommend the 1/700 Gold Medal Models 700-6, World War Two British Warships. While not a dedicated set for the RENOWN, it is very good and easy to use. Take the money you save and buy some 15 inch brass barrels. No need to cut out the windows, just paint them. Take care, Rich

Didn't WEM spin off a set from their own Reknown kit?
May not be the proper time of fit, tough...
Just thinking out loud...
Guido

[Allan McBeath]

The wem set is very good. for a later fit you would have to scratch build the deckhouse extensions. Otherwise great set. Flyhawk set is good and more comprehensive. However the deckhouse extensions it adds are slightly too short on the larger extension and the roofs are in steel , not wood. Which I gather is innacurate. Not sure what Im going to do about that.

[Tim Stoneman]

Guido wasn't sure if the WEM PE from their resin RENOWN kit would fit the Trumpeter one; I had no difficulty using it for this kit, although some parts may be considered redundant. I'm not sure about silent one's comment about the deckhouse extensions in a later fit; as far as I can tell, the Trumpeter RENOWN deckhouses look fairly accurate for 1942 (except for the apparently spurious representation of torpedo tube doors on the sides of the hull abeam the after superstructure!) - unless the comment refers to the hangar roof and catapult spaces made when the catapult was landed in 1943 - I've not seen the so-called "RENOWN 1945" kit, so am not sure what Trumpeter provides for these areas.

[Joachim]

Hello!

Does anybody know whether RN Battleships and -cruiser did wear nameplates during WW II? I detected a pic of Renown, I guess shot direct after her big refit in 1939 showing her in light grey with a name on the aft superstructure. I tried to find Renown�s nameplates on later pics, especially from 1942 in her great camouflage appearence - without success (there are only few close-by pics of this time, and none is showing her name then).
Do you know about this? I�m grateful for any help or information!

Best regards from Dortmund!

Joachim

[Goi]

May I just ask- do the (Trumpeter) Renown's 2pdrs need replacing or are the kit parts passable?

[RNfanDan]

Hello again!

I've finally managed to put together a (crude) graphic/schematic of the ship's radio direction-finding office, for those interested in detailing and/or altering the corresponding, representative blob of moulded-in material, found in many model kits. Because of its diminutive size, some features in smaller scales may not be achievable or worth the effort, but there are details which can add visual interest to this structure.

The RDF office was located (unlike those in most RN warships) atop the mainmast starfish platform, just forward of the base of the upper mast. It was about 6 x 9 x 7 feet in size, and contained the receiving and other electronic equipment necessary to provide RDF bearings, frequencies and other data, as required. The office was also equipped with accoutrements for its operator, including a chair, fire extinguisher, phone(s), chronometer, bench, and other nominal fittings.

Access was gained via a ladderway on the inside of the mainmast, through a hatch in the starfish platform. This hatch opened directly onto the office "floor". The aft bulkhead was fitted with an entry door and a short ladder to the top of the structure, enabling access to fittings and meteorological equipment located there. 3-foot safety railings and an exhaust ventilator housing (possibly also containing other meteorological instruments?) were mounted atop the office, as well.

Interior air was supplied, through an opening in the aft bulkhead, by a duct which was routed down from the office alongside the mainmast, to a point just above the 4" director platform below. There, its intake was mainly clear of dangerous funnel gases and fumes. The office was built without scuttles or other windows. and was effectively sealed against both the elements and funnel smoke.

Perhaps the most striking visible feature of the RDF office was a pair of flat, angular arms extending aft and upward from it, toward the upper mast. It should be noted that these were not directly attached to the mast, standing just inches off. They served both as "hard points" for upper mast rigging/stays, and as routing for power and/or signal feedlines from the D/F loop antennas, located at the top of the gallant mast.

Although plenty of HMS Repulse photographs exist which include the RDF office, I have only recently been able to view images of sufficient resolution, lens proximity, and favorable lighting conditions to support my graphics. I have also found that most modelling plans and drawings (to date) of this office are incomplete and/or in error. This is hardly surprising, given the apparent dearth of good photographs and a general lack of attention paid to this structure. I hope that my months-long "Jonesing" over this singular feature of the ill-fated battlecruiser will be of interest to others, too. My apology for the small scale of these images:

---Dan

[MartinJQuinn]

Very nice Dan - thanks for your efforts.

[EJFoeth]

Enjoy:

http://www.scotlandsimages.com/Respages ... %20repulse

[JIM BAUMANN]

>>> Enjoy:

http://www.scotlandsimages.com/Respages ... %20repulse



WOW-- those are some mighty useful images of her as built....-- where did I place the NNT casting...?


JIM B

[Guest]

About that ship being the Tiger according to Jane's the Tiger had a midships turret. Only the R class Battle cruisers and the much later K G V,s had two forward and one aft turrets. So I would presume it is an R class Battle cruiser.

Tiger had 3 funnels. The only capital ship in the RN to have 3, which made her a uniquely handsome ship.

[Guest]

Andrew--

If I were asked to define a route for an external DG cable, transiting at some point from the ship's side to the foc'sle deck, I'd choose the very place where apparently the RN thought to do so---just forward of the breakwater on either side of the ship, where a "gutter" (apologies, but I am tired and cannot recall offhand the proper term for such a feature as I write this) terminates along the deck edge.

I believe this is why the DG cabling, in photographs where it can be seen clearly, seems to disappear at the forward end of its sloped run upward to the deck, from the armor belt ledge. Beginning here, the outer shell plating would conceal the cable and conduit, for a short distance forward toward the bow. Once this "gutter" ends, the DG cable would have only to avoid the fairleads and bollards, but no obvious sign of them being jerry-rigged (as in the case of Hood) can be seen. Perhaps a protective ramp arrangement was made, under which the DG cable could pass safely near these areas.

Good final-days photos apparently do not exist of the ship, but from what I have in my files and photos I have seen elsewhere, there is no obvious evidence it was transferred to the inside, and even if it was, it was almost certainly not where the upward slope of the conduit meets the foc'sle deck.

If I were to model my own late-1941 Repulse (loathe as I'd be to commit such an injustice! :heh:), I'd have no qualms routing its DG cabling to reflect what I've written above.

Your gutter is a waterway.

[JCRAY]

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[Bill Livingston]

Damn... I was working from the Renown plans in British Battleships of World War Two and there is a ladder shown on those plans... which is probably what Jim B and An Chu used as well as me... I thought at the time it was a bit odd as the only exit through would be to the underside of the 8 barrel Pom Pom... and although I suppose there could be an access hatch for some of the tracking machinery, coms pipes or some drainage pipes would make more sense... I should have double checked against the PM plans... but there are errors on them too, so who knows... The photo could easily be a ladder though, there seems to be a hint of rungs there and it isnt located in the same place as the PM plans anyway... so maybe I will get away with it...

Too late now... and besides, I decided to omit the stairs either side of the deckhouse on that platform and they are MUCH more noticeable... That was at a time when I was pressing on and before I got into my 'detail at all costs' phase. Ah well...

EDIT: Whoops... looks like I am responding to old posts too!

[rocketassistedkea]

Hey...apologies if anyone's already asked this [I'm slowly working through these posts], but; are the funnels on the Repulse ringed with footrails, like on i.e: the 'Hood [and most ships]?
Curious; as I'll be ordering the Trumpeter '350 kit, Lionroar update, wood deck, rigging attatchment points/handwheels and figures [l'arsenal] soon;0) First ship kit...ever. O.k, so not really...nearly finished Trumpeters Udaloy in /350, which I think is superb. Details mostly very good, and the fit's as good as Tamiya [except upper to lower hull]. Finishing off three '350 subs too...the start of a collection of actual ship models [gasp].
But I've built many models, mainly armour, so don't fear for me...b Anyways...I reckon footrails really bring '350 ships to life [and aren't really possible in '700]; so...I just need to know where the main one's are!

regards

Zaron