Calling all HMS "Mighty" Hood fans

[jnfrey757]

To correct my recent post, I found that Tamiya XF25, Light Sea Grey, I purchased for the Hood had been mis-labeled and is actually XF65, Field Green. XF25 is close to Royal Navy AP507B, a bluish grey. I do think Hood looks best, as suggested by hmshood.com, in AP507C Mediterranean Fleet Light Grey.

[Admiral John Byng]

http://www.scotlandsimages.com/Respages ... hms%20hood

EJ, I haven't been here for ages but that site is fantastic!

Thanks,
Roger

[kie_taylor83]

Hi all,

Just finished my second model of the Hood, such a gracefull ship not many like her, just a shame she never got the refit she deserved.

I am new to here so not sure if this is the right place to say but does anyone know where i can get a waterline 1/1200 of the Hood?

Would really finish off a line i have been making.

Anyway nice to meet you all

Kieran.

[Timmy C]

Neptun makes one: (scroll down to Hood): http://www.collectableships.com/models/ ... ptunUS.htm

[kie_taylor83]

Neptun makes one: (scroll down to Hood): http://www.collectableships.com/models/ ... ptunUS.htm

Cheers mate, will get onto it.

kieran

[kurt]

Has anyone completed the Trumpy 1931 version yet and any particular needed fixes? I read the review at the Hood sight, but this was just from a perusing of the parts in the kit. I have the Lion Roar PE set. And am still in the planning stage.

Kurt

[grahamwalker]

Hi can anyonr help? building 1/350 Hood have lost a part, the UK import agent is f***ing usless can anyone draw around theres or make me a plasterine moudle of it part noA17, i will not be buying another hood....

[Johnt71]

Hi, my name's John and I'm new on here> I'm about halfway though building a Trumpeter Hood and a while back after completing the hull it got stood on and smashed! The UK import agent couldn't replace the parts so I had to buy a completely new kit! I've therefore got a lot of spare parts available (including A17) so if anyone wants any let me know. I'm not after making a profit, just need to cover p&p - any surplus will go to charity.

[Maarten Sch�nfeld]

Hi all you Hood fans,

I have posted this message also in the Picture Post - Work in Progress Forum Section. However, it should be very appropriate in this CASF section as well.

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As side effect of my scratch Rodney in 1:350, I evidently have too look closer into the boat complement of the RN battleships. I know EJ Foeth has done tremendous work on that front by creating a very neat and convincing set of boats.

My question is rather: does anyone have a -more or less- conclusive view on which boats were on board at the fatefull May 24th, how many of each type and most important: where were these exactly loacated?

The beste reference I found so far was Conway's 'Anatomy' of the Hood, page 89 figure E3/14, showing the arrangements on the shelter deck by 1940. This picture is VERY confusing, as the captions tell about many changes taking place even in this short period.

45 ft motor launch (39.19mm): 1 Kit: 0
42 ft motorized barge (36.58mm): 1 Kit: 2
35 ft fast motor boat (30.48 mm): 3 Kit: 1
32 ft motor cutter (27.87mm): 2 Kit: 2
27 ft naval whaler (23.51mm): 2 Kit: 1 (under sized)
25 ft fast motor boat (21.77mm): 1 Kit: 2 (under sized)
16 ft dinghy (13.93mm): 1 Kit: 1
16 ft fast motor boat (13.93mm): 1 Kit:0

I did a first attempt trying to match this info with what has been provided in the Trumpeter kit. First conclusions:
-The 45ft motor launch is completely missing, could be found in the KGV Tamiya kit or from Admiralty Model Works.
-The 35ft FMB should be home-copied in resin or also ordered from AMW
-The whalers and 25ft FMB are seriously under scale and are better replaced by AMW versions too (I added the length in mm to each type of boat, and measured all the gadgets in the Trumpeter kit to compare them).

EJ Foeth also mentions a 16ft FMB, which could be 'borrowed' from a Tamiya PoW kit maybe. He also mentions the 30ft sailing gig, which I can't find on the 'Anatomy' plan at all. So where did they put it?

Would be most interested if someone has a more conclusive view on this matter!


Maarten

[EJFoeth]

The list for 1941 is, as far as I can tell:

1 x 45 ft motorized barge
1 x 42 ft motorized barge
3 x 35 ft fast motor boat (2 x normal, 1 x modified)
2 x 32 ft motor cutter
1 x 30 ft gig
2 x 27 ft naval whaler
3 x 25 ft fast motor boat
1 x 16 ft dinghy
1 x 16 ft fast motor boat (skimming dish)
1 x type 17 Carley float
5 x type 19 Carley float
10 x type 20 Carley float
A host of denton rafts

Now, notes
- The 16, 25 and 35 ft fast motor boats are all hard chine hulls
- I have nothing on the 42ft motorized barge, only the sailing version.
- One 35ft fast motor boat was the admirals barge and a modification of the standard version. It's closest to the royal barge based on the same design. It has a modified center and rear cabin.
- One 32ft cutter was placed in the 45 ft barge
- The 30ft sailing gig was placed in the other 32 ft cutter
- Two 25ft fast motor bouts are on port side, the other on starboard

- An April 41 shot shows the 16" fast motor boat fitted to starboard. It is stowed and fitted with canvas. Did Hood in fact carry 2 sailing versions plus 1 fast type? I have to check, because it appears so...
- Denton rafts stacked on top of the same part of the ship. I have only one sad image and don't really know what they look like other than squarish.
- Number and type of Carleys follows from study of the photographs and the Carley float manual (Ashton, J., Challenor, C., & Courtney, 1993, R.C.H., The scientific investigation of a Carley float at the Australian War Memorial, Technical Papers of the Australian War Memorial, No 1.). You can find it online somewhere.

The location for the Carley's follows from a blog post that's semi finished:



Perhaps I should bloggerise this information some day I'll do some more homework to count the 16" boats.

[Maarten Sch�nfeld]

Wow EJ!

That sums it up quite nicely, I believe. I'll try to match all this info with the figure in 'Anatomy' where all these boats were put.

But it is very clear indeed that Trumpeter left us with serious defects regarding the ship's boats, and the only solution will be to scratch built these (as you did yourself), or draw on the new source of Admiralty Model Works, which provide most but not all the types you mention.

Is my assumption correct that the 45ft motorized boat is the same or similar to the 45ft motor launch?

Thanks a lot mate!

Maarten

[EJFoeth]

> Is my assumption correct that the 45ft motorized boat is the same or similar to the 45ft motor launch?

I can't tell how you assume how these would look, so I have no idea!

[Maarten Sch�nfeld]

Yes, I agree we have some trouble explaining what we mean...

Maybe this helps: Admiralty Model Works (www.admiraltymodelworks.com, see the shop) offers three types of 45ft boats in 1:350 scale:

45ft fast motor boat
45ft motor boat
45ft motor launch

The last (motor launch) is the only open boat of the three (without cabins), and hence the only one on top of which another boat (cutter, gig) can be stowed.

The first and the second at first glance differ in the size of the cabins: two large ones on the motor boat and smaller ones on the FMB.

With this info: does the '45ft motorized barge' you mention fit somewhere in this scheme, or is that an even different type of boat?

Thanks,
Maarten

[EJFoeth]

Ah, I see. The motorized barge I made looks a bit more like this (sorry, old picture).



It's based on some drawings I acquired though John Lambert. Developed in 1935 "the replace the existing 45ft motor launch". According to Northcott, Hood had a 45ft motor launch from 1919, but AOTS doesn't mention such a boat until 1939. The 1938 data shows the admirals barge, no motor barge.

Now, if Hood was fitted as late as 1939 with the 45 ft launch, it makes sense to fit the later one, but I have no images. In effect, the Admiraly works boat should work as well and might even be the correct choice. It matches the 42ft motor launch as well. I know the AOTS shows that type for the 45ft boat, but the AOTS is most inaccurate with boat drawings (i.e., other than information) in general.

In short, you have all the artistic license to use the Admiralty modelworks version. I think I'll keep my version

[Maarten Sch�nfeld]

Thanks again EJ! That picture of your beautifully crafted boat tells more than thousand words.

The good news is then: AMW provides a very good version of this in their 45ft motor launch (forget the other two for now), but Trumpeter actually provided a 42ft version of this! Not so neat of course... So we can have both on our model, provided we clean up the Trumpeter rendering to an acceptable degree.

For the rest we will need AMW's boats, but the challenge remains with the 25ft FMBs. Tamiya's are much better in my view, I might revert to home-casting some copies of that one.

[HvyCgn9]

Here is a pic of my club mate Warner's 1/72 HMS Hood at todays running day

Cheers Bruce

[Mark Stone]

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In it's one and only battle it done got it self sunk within a few minutes. That is not very [youtube][/youtube]"mighty" to me.
AC

Technically, that's not true--Hood was present at the pre-emptive gunning-down of the French fleet, an event which could be perceived as firing her guns in anger, albeit under rather unusual circumstances.

RNFD

She was referred to as "The mighty Hood" by the men who sailed on her, simply because for twenty years she was the largest warship in the world

[EJFoeth]

Thanks for the link to Dino Carancini for the following:

http://beta.natlib.govt.nz/photos?utf8= ... t=hms+Hood

Warning: the images are great and free(!! ) but the website is a disaster; if you open too many images at the same time the server can give you the wrong image. By patient and view and save them one by one to avoid missing out some images. If you have double images in your save queue or download folder, the server got confused.

[john53]

Hello, I just received my 1/700 trumpeter HMS Hood in the
mail today. I have a picture of the box and below it is a small
piece of card stock painted in a blue gray color. I went to the
Hood website and there was a color swatch for AP507B which
is the scheme I am doing. How close is my color to AP507B?
I am thinking it may be too blue?---Thanks---John

[Maarten Sch�nfeld]

Hi John,

it is very hard to estimate the colour of the chip you show, however it might not be too far off though. AP507B is really rather blueish.

Humbrol paint no is 145 is a good approximation of AP507B, although I currently use WEM Colorcoats RN02 which should be rather spot-on. However, you need to consider if you put either colour on a 1:700 model the result will appear very dark when compared to photographs of the real ship, due to the 'scale-factor' which lighten up colours considerably when viewed from a distance.