Calling all Brooklyn-class (CL-40) fans

[proflooney]

thanks a lot will return a copy in excel for you when finished so you have a good copy

Joe

[masterdoyle]

Good afternoon,

I just discovered that my grandfather served on the USS Brooklyn for most of her history in the late 30s-40s. I would very much like a detailed model of the vessel, but I have no skills at model-building whatsoever. Is there a place I could aquire an already built replica? Or possibly commission someone to build one for me? I also have no idea how much the model costs, initial searches show it is expensive. Is the model rare? Or large? Or detailed?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

-Doyle

[Tracy White]

Most likely you will need to commission someone if you don't want to build it yourself.

Tony Bunch is doing a Pre-war Honolulu, which is the same class. I know he's not going to want to do another one, but he would be a good person to talk about the 1/350th Yankee Model Works kit at least.

[Guest]

Thank you, I will go take a look at his and introduce myself. Sorry, took so long to respond, I lost my link and just refound the site.

-Doyle

[taskforce48]

Doyle,

I might be able to help you out. Drop me an e-mail and we can discuss the details.
Matnnay"at"yahoo.com
Matt

[Tony Bunch]

Hi Guys,
Doyle,
The YMW kit is 20.5" long in 1/350 scale first of all; FYI. The kit is one of fundamental simplicity as resin kits go, but the parts prep and mega amounts of parts needing prep add a huge time toll to this type of project. Sorry for the buzz-kill!
Actually, my life style etc etc has caused me to send the Lulu back to my commissioner; whom is now retired and wants to finsish her himself for Mr. Kimmel. I've possibly lost my opportuinity to meet the descendant of a truly American hero; but that's how the cookie crumbles.
Feel free to ask q's, and it's nice to see Matt jump in.
Respectfully, Tony Bunch

[maxim]

I am searching information about the fit of USS Nashville during the Doolittle Raid. Does someone have informations?

The camouflage pattern was Ms12mod. Here some photos can be found:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/04/043/04043.htm

Terzibaschitsch describes her armament as:
15 x 6 in
8 x 5 in L/25
16 x 1.1 in
? x 20 mm Oerlikons

I am not sure about the 1,1 in (2,8 cm) quads: two quads on the bridge wings? Two quads next to the boat cranes? The rear ones are visible, I am not sure about those on the bridge.

The number and positions of the 20 mm Oerlikons are even more difficult: four in front of the bridge, two on the deck below the rear directors???

[DrPR]

Well, the Brooklyn class had five triple 6"/47 turrets for starters, so that is 15 6" guns.

[Dick J]

Nashville carried 15 x 6" guns. She carried 4 quad 1.1's - 2 atop the bridge abeam the forward MK-34 director, in addition to the 2 you have previously located. The standard 20MM outfit for early '42 was 12. I have positively located 10, with indications (but not clear proof) for the last 2; 4 in the gallery below and forward of the pilothouse, 2 atop the forward end of the pilothouse, 2 at the O-1 level between the after stack and the boats, and 2 in the wings of the upper level of the after superstructure, more toward the after end of the wings. The possible location for the last 2 is on the after superstructure on the level below the other pair. There is a hint of one in one photo, but I can't confirm it in any other shots. At the time of the Doolittle Raid, there doesn't appear to have been any on the main deck.

[maxim]

@ Dick J: thank you very much! Where do you found photos of her in this fit?

@ DrPR: you are right, of course. I was ignoring the 6 in, because this part of the armament was not changed.

[Dick J]

Where do you find photos of her in this fit?

Multiple sources online and Ray Bean's CD #67.

[maxim]

Where do you find photos of her in this fit?

Multiple sources online and Ray Bean's CD #67.

Does Ray Bean's CD contains several photos? Are they high resolution photos?

[Dick J]

Ray's CD has a couple of shots of the port side, neither of which is high rez. If the early '42 Nashville is the only thing you want, the CD isn't worth the cost. However, there are many other ships covered (and also other time periods for Nashville), and that is why it was worth it for me.

[maxim]

Thank you very much! This was really helpful!

[Guest]

Thanks for all the help and replies. The model itself is definitely more expensive than I was expecting. I will likely be commissioning Matt to help me out and he's more than welcome to share any pics with all of you.

I look forward to any suggestions. He mentioned several different fits for the Brooklyn, but I don't know what they look like to decide what I want. Any photos that could help me decide would be greatly appreciated.

[taskforce48]

Hello everyone,

I am currently putting together references for a 1938 USS Brooklyn, I think I have got it down pretty good for appearance, the only thing I am coming up short on is if she had turret top markings and if she did what were they?

TIA

Matt

[Dana M Bell]

Hi Matt,

Brooklyn was commissioned on 30 September 1937 and received her first aircraft (coded 8-CS-5 thru 8-CS-8) on 19 January 1938. Though the aircraft were from VCS-8, CruDiv Eight would not be reactivated until July 1938, so the ship probably did not carry turret markings for the year's first seven months. After July, twin fore-and-aft black bands were painted on all three forward turrets, with the individual ship color (white) painted on top of Turret 5. In early 1939, evidence from other ships in the division suggests that the individual ship marking was changed to a white square and moved to Turret 4.

It should make one sexy model - enjoy the build!

Cheers,


Dana

[taskforce48]

Dana,

Fantastic information, thank you for the quick response. So I guess I should have phrased this in my original question but does that mean that the planes had white chevrons on the wing top and black stripes on the tail?

TIA

Matt

[Dana M Bell]

Hi Matt,

It does, indeed. The black bands were wrapped around all the tail planes, and the white chevrons were above the top wing. 8-CS-5 had a white cowl and white fuselage band, 8-CS-6 had a white top half of the cowl, 8-CS-7 had a white bottom half of the cowl, and 8-CS-8 had 1-foot-wide, fore-and-aft stripes at the top and bottom of the cowls.


Cheers,


Dana

[Tony Bunch]

Hi Guys,
Matt,
With Dana around, I'll contribute more sensibly.
Way to go Dana!
Here is Honolulu's late 1939 SOC's a/c number 1 artwork (9-CS-1). Wayne Tevlin did the artwork for me. Darren of The ResinShipYard did my decal printing in 1/350 scale.
For Matt's Brooklyn, just change the chevron, waist band, cowl and empennage two-stripe, (for CL's only), colors and you're right where you want to be. For a/c nos. 2-4, the colored waist band was eliminated and the cowl band varied from No1 full round the cowl, No2 upper cowl half, No3 lower cowl half and No4 a 12"thin strip at the cowl immediate top and bottom.
A couple of years ago and more recently, Dana helped me with simple facts and figures about USN pre-war shipboard catapult launched a/c designations and markings information. With my always prevalent ADHD, this was mind-bending!
Here is Honolulu's lead bird markings. The variations from then on were limited to the cowl markings. Dana will correct me if I'm wrong, as he was my teacher.

SOC-3 V-CS-9 A/C #1

Best wishes from a rainy SoCal, Tony
ps Matt, if you want the a/c artwork that I have, you're welcome to it.