Calling all Udaloy-class (Фрегат-M) & Sovremennyy-class (сарыч) fans

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[California Bound]

Bob,


I've seen that same picture and was using it as my source for adding the strut pair. I believe Maritimequest lists it as Shaposhnikov, but Navsource has a lot more photos and lists it as a different ship. So I have removed that from my reference pics and that was my only source of evidence for strut pair on Shaposhnikov. There are more differences between ships than I expected.


Dan.

[Jimmy Conway]

Do the Pe sets for Udaloy from GMM and WEM fit the kit of Admiral Chebanenko, both Trumpeter?
Do some parts be useful for this kit?
Thanks for any help.
Jimmy

[California Bound]

Hi Jimmy,

I don't have the Admiral Chabanenko model but I do have both PE sets. Looking over both sets, and a quick look at the over 45 pictures of Chabanenko available at navsource.narod.ru I would guess that both sets will be useful and mostly compatible for Chabanenko. I believe the largest concern will be that because of the different deck shape, the pre-measured main deck railings will be off in some areas and will have to be combined with sections of generic railing. If I was building Chabanenko, I would definately get one or both sets. The two sets are slightly different, so it depends on what your goal is, as to which set to get. I hope this helps.

Dan.

[Jimmy Conway]

Dear California, I appreciate very much your kind answer.


Thanks for the information that you gave me, they will be very useful because I'll make a search and I will get both sets of PEs. I'll get the references too of the ship in navsource narod, thank you for your guidance.

Can you help with some information about colours aplied in this ship? Any book, or other source?

Nice regards: Jimmy Conway

[California Bound]

Jimmy,

I don't know of any other sources or books. Perhaps other people do? Also, I'm afraid I can't be of much help on colors. I don't know of anything official. I could explain my own color choices, but they are just based on my own preferences, available paints, and on my own opinions of the photos. Since none of that is official, you probably would be better off to look over the pictures and draw your own conclusions based on your own preferences and your chosen time frame.

Dan.

[Neptune]

I think we should really start drawing up a list of colours of different brands for Russian Navy ships. This question has been coming up every now and then and it would be nice to have a list with comparable colours for each part of the ships for different brands to refer to.

Like Cali, I've also chosen for availability. I'm not much of a colour mixer so I try to get the basic colours with a close match. I'm using Revell up till now, although I heard the WEM Russian Navy colours are really spot on. Spot on, is like Cali mentioned, subject to interpretation. Basically the Russian ships paints fade quite fast, meaning that practically any kind of grey shade can at some point be seen on a ship. Same counts for that red/brownish deck colour. Sometimes it's really red, sometimes it's more orange, sometimes it goes towards brown.

[California Bound]

Maybe a list of colors chosen, opinions (if any), and a picture to show how those colors turn out?

[Neptune]

Sounds like a plan. On a basic white background to make it easier to compare. Or close up'ed? I use Revell, you can see how these colours turn out in some of my topics and on my Udaloy (in scratchbuild section). I did adapt my colours to the size of the ship as on smaller ships I use a slightly darker grey. Don't really remember the numbers of the colours from the top of my head though. Have to check them when I get home.

[Seasick]

Here are some comparisons. These are 1/700 kits.
I've repainted one of the Ka-27 in Russian colors from Soviet. And Russian Naval ensigns and jacks.

[California Bound]

Mark V.

They look pretty good.
Do you remember what colors you used?

Dan.

[California Bound]

Here is my contribution to the possible Russian paint schemes.

I chose to try and depict my Udaloy class Marshal Shaposhnikov in it's 2000+ color scheme which is after they changed the mast color to black.

For the dark deck color I used a spray can, Dupli-Color Truck, Van, & SUV automotive brand Gunmetal T177W.
It is an acrylic lacquer. Most hobby gunmetal colors are more towards black. This is more towards gray. A flat clear coat was applied later.

For the red/orange color I made a mixture of 3 colors. The bottles are old and the numbers are hard to read.
Wood 1735.
Go Mango 2770.
Insignia Red 1705.
All are Model Master Enamels. I mixed 1 part Wood, 3 parts Go Mango, and about 1 part Insignia Red. Adding the red all at once is stronger than I expected. It should be added last, a little at a time in order to get your desired shade.
A flat clear coat was applied later.


Again it is Model Master Enamels. And I chose to do multiple shades of gray.
The water line is Flat White.
The top of the motor boat is Light Gray 1732.
The lower hull of the motor boat is Medium Green 1713.
The small light colored object below the mast is a 50/50 mixture of Light Gray and Light Ghost Gray.
Over all superstructure is Light Ghost Gray 1728.
Stacks and dark horizontal stripe at base of the superstructure is a 50/50 mixture of Light Ghost Gray and Neutral Gray.
Originally, I painted the entire upper hull in Neutral Gray 1725. However, that horizontal line that can be seen half way up the hull, causes a change in viewing angle and a color shift which made the Neutral Gray of the upper half of the upper hull look almost exactly like the 50/50 blend at the base of the superstructure. I decided to force the color shift regardless of viewing angle, and painted the upper half of the upper hull in that same 50/50 Light Ghost Gray and Neutral Gray blend.

Russian lower hull red seems to go on as a straight red and then darken to almost black over time. I chose to use a spray can Krylon Fusion brand Satin Burgundy.

And again, a clear flat coat was applied over everything later.


Dan.

[Thundergrunt]

Neptune or Carr


I need your guidance, I am currently building my first Russian ship the Kharmolov Udaloy I, I have refs hat she is # 606 and 678, and that she is in the northern fleet. and have seen her with red hull and black hull what would be correct for post 2000 also I have got a good deck mix from some pics I have seen. But just really want to get the # correct. Also what would be a good paint match for hull, I cannot find Russian Northern Gray anywhere.

Thanks
Thunder

[Timmy C]

Also what would be a good paint match for hull, I cannot find Russian Northern Gray anywhere.

Thanks
Thunder

WEM Colorcoats: https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/Rus ... M+11/4419/
But I think there's some agreement on the board that the grey is never exactly the same, even within the same fleet.

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[Pappy121]

G'day people,

I was in a LHS last week. The owner is selling up and I managed to pick up a 1/200 Bronco PLAN (Chinese Navy) 956EM Modified Sovremmenney very cheaply.

The plastic inside looks like it shares a LOT in common with the Bronco kit, so it seems that there was a lot of co-operation between the two companies. The main differences appear to be around the helo deck area, as this is a different arrangement on the PLAN Ships (Ningbo (DDG-139), Taizhou (DDG-138) and I think one more?). The rear AK-130 gun turret is deleted and two "Kashtan" CIWIS systems are fitted on either side of the helo deck. The forward AK-130 gun turret remains, and it looks like Bronco have re-sculpted the turret shape to more accurately depict the correct shape. The Trumpy version is more like an igloo.

Unfortunately, sharing the plastic with Trumpy means that many of the errors extant on the original kit remain. The hull has a few errors, these being that 'knuckle' on the bow section is too soft and too high, the windows at the bow are too high. The hull should taper slightly from the mid section to the stern, but it stays parallel, and the big one for me, the kit depicts twin rudders when it should have one central rudder.

I want to fix up the details that I can. I can't do much about the knuckles or the rear hull taper, I will leave that for the more capable modellers out there, but I do want to correct the bow windows and the rudder. Could someone please provide me with a hull drawing, I need side and rear views of the rudder and skeg as well as the bow area.

I will post some progress pics when I can,

cheers,

Pappy

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[Pappy]

Earlier pages in this thread have photos of the prop/rudder and portholes (I assume that's what you mean by windows?) at the bow. Also, good photos of those areas are plentiful on the Internet. Just search for Sovremenny.

G'day Bob,

I will begin by saying that I mainly build jets, but I am partial to boats, so I apologise if I get the navyspeak wrong (e.g 'windows' instead of portholes) occasionally.

I was not able to find any pics or drawings of the rudder during my previous searches, and the drawings that I did find were basically the same profiles that come with the instructions, but there are plenty of reference pics for the superstructure etc. I have the Steven Zaloga book on the Sov, Slava and Udaloy boats too. The only other source for drawings that I found were for R/C builders, I just want to fix up the rudder.

I followed your suggestion and read back through the thread and page 10 had some useful pictures and drawings. It looks like I will just fill in thh extant rudder mounting slots and mount one rudder unit centrally.

I have the WEM brass on order but I have made a start. I will start a build thread (in the pic post) when I make some progress, but I will tease you with a few pics of the ships helo in the meantime.







The Kit helo would have you fit the vertcial
stabs parallel to the a/c centreline, they should be fitted so that they are angled inwards.



cheers,

Pappy

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