Calling all RM Littorio-class fans!

[Roberto]

After careful examination of the 1/350 Roma and Mr. Barbieri's 1/100 one, I came to the conclusion that Trumpeter based their kit...on a model, and still made omissions.
It's now clear where the cobblestone pattern on the bow comes from: Mr. Barbieri's Roma. Nowhere else is this pattern found.
The Trumpeter kit is additionally missing the aft support of the bridge wings deck, the one where all the 90mm AA directors are located (this IS present on Mr. Barbieri's model though).
I still like it though and I am correcting mistakes as I find them.

[chuck]

Can anyone clarify for me what each of the big directors on the Roma is for?

Specifically the 2 big coaxial directors on top of the bridge, the 2 to either side of the bridge, and the 2 to either side of the funnels.

Also, does the round pill box on top of the foremast, right under the radar, rotate? If so, does it rotate independently of the big director underneath? Also, is it a periscope sticking out the top of that pillbox?

Btw, where are the directors for the light 37 and 20mm AAs? Are they on the gallery on either side of the funnels?

[Atma]

Chuck, check page 10 in this thread, I made the same question, Secondo has an answer.
Anyway here some picture of the upcomig(October release) 1/700 Trumpeter/Pit-Road's RN Vittorio Veneto from the Hobby Search site:

and

Enjoy !

[Secondo]

Also, does the round pill box on top of the foremast, right under the radar, rotate? If so, does it rotate independently of the big director underneath? Also, is it a periscope sticking out the top of that pillbox?

Btw, where are the directors for the light 37 and 20mm AAs? Are they on the gallery on either side of the funnels?

To complete what I had alredy written (thanks Atma for having mentioned it ) the round pill box, the main director, did not rotate. Yes, the object sticking out of the top is a periscope, the one used by the first gunnery officer to observe what he was firing upon and how

I don't know exactly where the AA directors were on Roma; there were six of them, three on each side, each one directing a fire group (there were three different fire groups); to find them, you have to seek for objects ressembling this

[chuck]

Thanks. Is there only 1 director for the main battery, or are there others?

[chuck]

One more question, the big searchlights as depicted by trumpeter appears to slide on rails. Is this actually the case?

[Secondo]

Thanks. Is there only 1 director for the main battery, or are there others?

The secondary director was on the bridge, placed between the tactical rangefinder and the admiral's bridge (upper level; the lower one was the navigation bridge); it's that kind of oval structure without windows and with another periscope on the top (this periscope was called A.P.G., standing for Apparecchio Punteria Generale, main spotting device).

Just for curiosity, four combinations of fire direction were possible:

I All the turrets slaved to main fire director, using either the main fire control computer or those of turrets 2 and 3 (turret 2 and 3 each had a backup fire control computer)

II All the turrets slaved to secondary fire director, again using either the main or the backup FCC

III Turrets 1 and 2 slaved to secondary fire director, using the main FCC or the one of turret 2; turret 3 slaved to main fire director, using the turret's FCC

IV All the towers slaved to turret 2, using the turret's FCC

Then, each tower could fire indipendently as each had its own 12 m rangefinder; usually in this case turret 1, which did not have its own FCC, would be slaved to turret 2. Spotting to be done through each turret's sighting optics (turrets didn't have an A.P.G. of their own).

One more question, the big searchlights as depicted by trumpeter appears to slide on rails. Is this actually the case?

Yes; they were retractable into the nearby structures which were, IIRC, splinter-proof, to give them a little protection.

[Atma]

Anyone has any experience or opinions about this Trumpeter's 1/350 RN Roma set ?
http://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=TP06625
Thanks in advance.

[Phil R]

Anyone has any experience or opinions about this Trumpeter's 1/350 RN Roma set ?
http://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=TP06625
Thanks in advance.

I`m currently using it ,and the PE is an improvement over their earlier attempts at PE.The Turned metal 15" barrels look to be really good .All in all excellent value for �20.
My WIP is here:
http://rnwarships.informe.com/forum/bat ... -t152.html

Cheers Phil

[Secondo]

My WIP is here:
http://rnwarships.informe.com/forum/bat ... -t152.html

Cheers Phil

I read in your WIP your complaints about the number of boats coming with the model: if it may reassure you, this is because Trumpeter based its boats' layout on the official drawings, but the real ship never got all of them and was used to carry only those that were on her aft superstructure, so you may leave almost all the boats off. Hope I'm in time to prevent a boat overdose

[Atma]

I didnt used the boats on the front turrets, first I find them as aesthetically ugly and second, I assume to prevent blast damage from the main turrets those boats where most of the time removed.

[Phil R]

My WIP is here:
http://rnwarships.informe.com/forum/bat ... -t152.html

Cheers Phil

I read in your WIP your complaints about the number of boats coming with the model: if it may reassure you, this is because Trumpeter based its boats' layout on the official drawings, but the real ship never got all of them and was used to carry only those that were on her aft superstructure, so you may leave almost all the boats off. Hope I'm in time to prevent a boat overdose

Thank you Secondo! I`m just in the middle of making all those boats ,and your comments will save me a heck of lot of work.I must say that I think the Roma is one of the best warships kits Trumpeter have done,although,being no expert on Italian vessels ,I cannot vouch for the accuracy or otherwise of this kit,all I know is that I`m thoroughy enjoying building it (OOB for a change),which what our hobby is supposed to be about!

Thanks Phil

[Secondo]

Thank you Secondo! I`m just in the middle of making all those boats ,and your comments will save me a heck of lot of work.

You're most welcome Phil, it's my pleasure to help fellow modelers who are building ships from "my" Navy

This photo that I recovered from a previous page shows no boats on the deck; altough this arrangement surely changed with time, I'm convinced that none of the boats that were supposed to lay near the aft 6" turrets were ever embarked, as they would have interfered with the turrets' firing arches. Besides, the ship was always operated from well-equipped bases, thus there was no need to carry all those auxiliaries (had Roma been equipped according to her blueprints, she would have embarked on her port aft deck even a truck and the admiral's car...)

[Atma]

Amazing scratchbuilt RN Roma in today's gallery by Song Jung Gun
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html

[Atma]

The RM Vittorio Veneto in 1/700 from Trumpeter/Pit-Road is out:
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10147777
Enjoy !

[Atma]

The 1/700 RN Roma by Trumpeter/Pit-Road had a major flow (I think) with the lower hull. Today I reiceved my RM Littorio and RM Vittorio Veneto in 1/700 by Trumpeter/Pit-Road, and I was thinking to make at least one of them as a full hull mode.
Is the RM Littorio and RM Vittorio Veneto lower hull correct, or it has the same mistakes as RM Roma ?
And what about the 1/350 version of RM Roma ?
Thanks in advance.


Oh by the way, can anyone provide me a link for the 38 cm main guns brass replacement and also for the 15,2 cm one and the 90 mm AA ?
Thanks again.

[navydavesof]

I just recently got my copy of The Littorio class: Italy's Last and Largest Battleships 1937-1948. I have been reading through it almost daily, and it is such a wonderful book. I am really glad Erminio Bagnasco and Augusto de Toro went to the effort they did to produce this book. It's fascinating and really paints a great historical picture of these ships.

The book is a great investment and is an excellent resource to anyone who might have an inclination to learn about the ships to build the new models of the class, especially Trumpeter's Roma.

I give this one a high-five and a BZ.

[Atma]

The Littorio class: Italy's Last and Largest Battleships 1937-1948 is indeed an excellent book.

[Phil R]

The Littorio class: Italy's Last and Largest Battleships 1937-1948

Agreed,highly recommend !!

Phil

[Atma]

Okay guys, is it me or the new RM Littorio and RM Vittorio Veneto's waterline hull has terrible fitting while the full hull works perfectly, in contrast with the previous RM Roma release ?
In 1/700 by Trumpeter/Pit-Road.
I wanted to make both RM Littorio and RM Vittorio Veneto as waterline but the terrible fitting of the waterline hull forces me to use the full hull option, which fit (almost)prefect.
Any comments ?
Thanks in advance.