robertmelvin wrote:Garth, I was actually asking if I could list you as a "friend" on this board. I don't Facebook, MySpace or anything else. THIS is my social networking! LOL
Bob
Bob,
I'm on your side. I tried Facebook and I like The Ship Model Forum better. I call it my SHIP-FACED BOOK
ROFLMAO! I love it - ShipFaceBook. Outstanding sir!
Bob
Give me a fast ship, for I would like to get out of harm's way!
Garth, I have a question for you. My resources indicate that in the 103 class boats there should be no, repeat no, overhang of the deck over the hull. The edge of the deck should be flush with the hull. Is that correct?
TIA, my friend.
Bob
Give me a fast ship, for I would like to get out of harm's way!
Garth, mostly such publications as P.T. Boats in Action, etc.. As nearly as I can tell from the photographs I've seen of the 103 class boats, except for the overhang at the stern over the transom, the deck did not overhang the hull. Am I right on that one? Rather, the deck ended at the hull and did not have an over hang starboard or port.
Bob
Give me a fast ship, for I would like to get out of harm's way!
robertmelvin wrote:...except for the overhang at the stern over the transom, the deck did not overhang the hull. Am I right on that one? Rather, the deck ended at the hull and did not have an over hang starboard or port.
Technically speaking, the components which comprise the deck do not overhang the hull sides. The outboard edge of the covering board (which covers the end grain of the decking) is flush with the hull sides. However, there is a gunnel guard all around the perimeter of the hull, so there is an "overhang", if you will.
Garth, just e-mail me at robert.melvin@att.net. I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have, to the best of my ability. Please put something in the subject line so I'll know its you in case my spam filter catches it.
Alross2, thanks for that information. Very helpful indeed.
Bob
Give me a fast ship, for I would like to get out of harm's way!
I want to build the Italeri kit as PT 552 which I understand has a different cockpit layout than PT 596. Can anyone provide info on this earlier layout of the ELCO 80 foot PT cockpit?
Thanks,
Doug Fritz
There is a section in that book which describes how to convert that kit into the 559, which was a near sister to the 552 and, in fact, was in the same RON as the 552. PT RON 29 ...
Mr. Sobieralski did an excellent job and he clearly described how to convert the kit to a boat of that production run and from that RON.
Hi Garth,
I have your book and it does contain a lot of useful information. However ther is nothing detailed enough to show me how the cockpit/bridge of these boats differ from the models later configuration. I have quite a few references but none of them show that area in detail.
Doug Fritz
Here is a close up photo of the bridge on my PT559 model:
The main differences between this layout and the 596 are that the throttle levers are on the left side of the control panel and the control panel itself is a different configuration. I also added a grab rail at the bottom right that is often seen in cockpit photos. I made an assumption that the wheel and instrument panel might have been left in the original factory gray paint, rather than painted with the Thayer blue comouflage color, but it is certainly possible that everything would have been painted blue.
Drawings of the early configuration control panel are on Jeff Davidson's excellent PT103 site:
Thanks, Steve, that is just what I need. Seeing your model is what inspired me to do one of the Ron 29 boats. While I have your attention, did you notice that the engine intake cowl on these boats seems to have an extension on the forward end? I haven't found any clear photos of this , but it almost looks like it was added to draw more air down to the intake screen. It also appears on the boats based in the English Channel.
Thanks for your help,
Doug Fritz
I believe that is the hatch opened up and secured to the front of the cowl.
One thing to be aware of is that that the intakes on these mid-series boats are narrower (I forget by exactly how much)than on the 596. I cut down the front and rear faces and used the side pieces as is. I also added some latch detail and corrected the light in the hatch.
Steve,
Once you pointed it out, I see that it does look to be the open hatch. Thanks for the tip about narrowing the structure, I think you mentioned it in Garth's book also. I really appreciate your help.
Regards,
Doug Fritz
Thank you, Al. I also assume that the reflector sights are a late addition since they don't seem to show up in any of the other photos of RON 29 boats.
Regards,
Doug Fritz
